Is HIPT their best album?

Teedus · Post by **Teedus** » 8/25/2005, 2:32 pm

I think Picture is this CD's 4A.M and Theif

ihatethunderbay · Post by **ihatethunderbay** » 8/25/2005, 9:18 pm

teedus18 wrote:I think Picture is this CD's 4A.M and Theif

Or Apology. Or Al Genina...

GhettoAstronaut · Post by **GhettoAstronaut** » 8/25/2005, 9:23 pm

Apology is this CDs 4am. No doubt.

Johnny · Post by **Johnny** » 8/25/2005, 9:26 pm

Al Genina is a song that Raine MUST sing alone.

GhettoAstronaut · Post by **GhettoAstronaut** » 8/25/2005, 9:28 pm

If he makes the crowd sing along to that one, i'll be pissed

Johnny · Post by **Johnny** » 8/25/2005, 9:29 pm

So will I.

Hope · Post by **Hope** » 8/25/2005, 9:54 pm

im really looking forward to Al Genina.... i cant really imagine something way better than apology too cause apology is stuck in my head and it actually makes me melt and go into a olp maniac phase again.

Flea21212 · Post by **Flea21212** » 8/25/2005, 10:01 pm

Alright I've been listening to HIPT for almost a week now and letting it sink in, because when I Gravity came out I originally HATED it. Then after a week of listening I really got into it.

So here's how I rank the albums this far:

1. Spiritual Machines: I still don't think this cd has a bad track on it. And it's the closest OLP will ever get to radiohead. Listen to it turned up loud or with headphones and you'll hear all this extra radioheadesque material that brings out each song. From beginning to end this cd is musically their best effort.

2. Gravity: This album completely changed directions for OLP. The first 2 tracks are guitar driven rock songs both of which are great live. SMOT is of course a favorite. While I originally liked innocent, I quickly became tiresome of it and I've always hated Made of Steel. Then we have "Bring Back The Sun" which is probably one OLP's best studio songs, and has a great guitar solo.

3. Clumsy: The first half of this cd is really good. Superman's Dead great rock song, the one that got me into the band. AF another favorite. 4am, Clumsy, BDR. Definitely a solid album.

4. Naveed: The Birdman, Starseed, Naveed, Julia, Hope. All solid tracks, and who doesn't like the "is gone, is gone, is gone" part of Naveed? It's a great debut album.

5. Happiness: When this cd first came out I really dug it, and thought it was great. I mean all the songs are catchy and have melody, but something’s missing. Thief is however a beautiful song almost tear jerking. IAH, and OMA are good. But I have to be in a certain mood to listen to the rest of it.

HIPT: Still not quite sure where this one ranks yet. It's good but not their best. At times I fall in love with this album and at times it's like I've already heard what’s on it.

I still can't stand "Where are you" but when the anthem chorus comes on I can't help but sing along.

I don't really care for Steve's guitar on this album, his distortion sounds like crap like all the highs are taken out and you only get the mids and bass "Angles Losing Sleep" is an example of this. There's only a few decent guitar solos, nothing that can even touch BBTS, Starseed, or the live version of Are You Sad?.

World On A String sounds like something straight off the middle part of Gravity (Sorry or Made of Steel) but it's still catchy. Walking In Circles does absolutely nothing for me and should have been left off the album.

Apology and Al Genina are two extremely beautiful songs, I still think that a guitar solo should have been added to Apology. And Al Genina oh man just think if this song was about 5 minutes longer sorta like The Wonderful Future. They should have left this one off the album until they could have come up with more for it, it's just to good to be so short and almost frustrating because I listen to it just waiting for it to climax like the live versions of Are You Sad, but the song dies out before it can go anywhere

SaturdayNightz · Post by **SaturdayNightz** » 8/25/2005, 10:06 pm

GhettoAstronaut wrote:Apology is this CDs 4am. No doubt.

Picture is more like this albums 4am IMO

Corey · Post by **Corey** » 8/26/2005, 5:17 am

I know you all were thinking to yourselves... "I wonder what Corey's list looks like? Is he even an Our Lady Peace fan?" Though it is a tough list to make, here it is:

1. Spiritual Machines (merely because it has the most songs I really like)
2. Clumsy (what originally got me into OLP, specifically "Superman's Dead")
3. Happiness... (Good songs, but not necessarily repeatable for me)
4. Gravity (I have to admit I never hated this album like so many other long term fans)
5. Naveed (though this one has possibly my favorite song "Naveed")

?. HIPT (haven't heard it yet but if I judged it by just "Where Are You?" it certainly would be last)

naveed99 · Post by **naveed99** » 8/26/2005, 12:31 pm

Hah, Dont judge it on Where are you. Id say its more then likely the worst song on the album.

HIPT overall is a sensational album. I like it better then Gravity and Naveed. Its one of my favorites by them.

wazon891 · Post by **wazon891** » 8/26/2005, 1:19 pm

some of the things people are saying in this thread kinda makes me feel like my brain is melting into a puddle of stupidity and pouring out of my ears.....but here's my two cents...

although i was trying to sort of wait patiently till next week, i found myself looking all over limewire today for full versions of the songs cuz i'm bad at life and i could never quite make the hub work- but i actually got quite a few, though i'm still certainly getting the album- i still think angels losing sleep is outstanding and i was REALLY impressed with al genina.....though it would have been nice if they stretched it out a bit- i still haven't heard like half the cd, so i can't really comment on its ranking but i think i'd go like this with the other 5

SM
Happiness
Naveed
Clumsy
Gravity

also I'm not trying to start a debate or arguement, and i'd say in general i agree with roughly 114% of Axtech's posts but i think i disagree that music quality is 100% subjective- i definetly think some of it is......and people (including myself) often times seem to mindlessly rant like they know more about music than they do and it gives them some justification to make an arguement- but i mean if you dumb it down to something simple like a band playing a song in 4/4 and following the same rhythem and sequence over and over, verses some sort of crazy offbeat rhythem with a lot of good instrumentation, solos, and sycopated pieces i think you can say with justification that one is better or of higher quality than the other- thats just what i think though....sorry the grammer failed me again

Hope · Post by **Hope** » 8/26/2005, 1:26 pm

yeah i have to agree, music quality is not 100% subjective, and that goes for books and others too.

Axtech · Post by **Axtech** » 8/26/2005, 1:45 pm

True enough, but it is completely possible for one person to enjoy music that everyone else in the world abhors.

But really, we're not arguing about someone making random noises into a mic (or something indisputedly dissonant). We're arguing about an album that is arguably good and arguably bad. In the context of this debate, one might as well say that the subjective experience of an album like Gravity is the only way to determine it's quality. While one can argue that it does or doesn't follow rules/parameters found in "good" music, the resulting quality is completely dependant on what the listener likes.

naveed99 · Post by **naveed99** » 8/26/2005, 1:56 pm

So in other words, arguing about the quality of music is entirely pointless, because there is not "good' or "bad" music. It is entirely dependent on the listeners perception of the song. In the case of Gravity though, I think your right Axtech. There are many people who believe it is the best album OLP has ever made, while a vast majority think it is awful. This argument then isnt really about music, but about people and their perceptions of it.

I think the reason alot of hardcore fans dont enjoy Gravity is because our perception of OLP was created through listening to OLP's older albums. Because Gravity was so different , we didnt percieve it as being good.

Alot of people who listen to Gravity without hearing other OLP material think its amazing, because musically , it is. Many of us dont like it because our perception of it is distorted because of the other material we have heard from OLP.

Staley · Post by **Staley** » 8/26/2005, 2:26 pm

So is HIPT more like Gravity or old school OLP? or just a combination of the two?

Hope · Post by **Hope** » 8/26/2005, 2:30 pm

it falls somewhere in between. the songs aren't as complicated as old stuff but so far i have found them to be really good, simple yet impressive, unlike gravity which was simple and not that impresive

nikki4982 · Post by **nikki4982** » 8/26/2005, 2:44 pm

wazon891 wrote:also I'm not trying to start a debate or arguement, and i'd say in general i agree with roughly 114% of Axtech's posts but i think i disagree that music quality is 100% subjective- i definetly think some of it is......and people (including myself) often times seem to mindlessly rant like they know more about music than they do and it gives them some justification to make an arguement- but i mean if you dumb it down to something simple like a band playing a song in 4/4 and following the same rhythem and sequence over and over, verses some sort of crazy offbeat rhythem with a lot of good instrumentation, solos, and sycopated pieces i think you can say with justification that one is better or of higher quality than the other- thats just what i think though....sorry the grammer failed me again

Some of the best music ever written is very very simple.

Complicated doesn't always mean good.

GhettoAstronaut · Post by **GhettoAstronaut** » 8/26/2005, 2:54 pm

I find that music being good or bad is not subjective at all, however, one's definition of music and what they look for in music is. For example, I look to music for originality, creativity, depth, and a slight pinch of catchiness. For this reason, I could say that Gravity was a bad album, and I could say that Clumsy was a great album. In that case, it's not my opinion that Gravity is bad, for my definition of music, it's a fact. Furthermore, there are some bands that fit my definition of music perfectly, but that I don't enjoy. I do not enjoy listening to Tool at all, however, I still say that they are a good band, because they have talent and fit my definition of music well. There are also bands on the other side of the spectrum. See, Blink 182, whose music does not fit my definition well, yet i still enjoy some of their music. I can say that they're not a great band, but I enjoy listening to them.

Some people who look for music with catchiness, accesibility, and simplicity, can say that Gravity is a good cd. So in that case, I can see why some people would place Gravity higher than albums such as Happiness. (though it still perplexes me as to why they would be a big enough fan of the band to come onto the board).

Anyway, that's my scrambled view on music and subjectivity.

Lando · Post by **Lando** » 8/26/2005, 3:01 pm

Naveed # 1! That is all ladies!