Setlist Discussion for the next OLP tour.

committed · Post by **committed** » 6/4/2004, 11:18 pm

mike > steve

or at least olp with mike > olp with steve

i think mike was fully capable of "carrying" songs. in fact, i think he did quite the job of it, because it's obvious now that he carried the band for four goddamn albums. just a thought.

Tattooed Angels · Post by **Tattooed Angels** » 6/5/2004, 2:02 pm

hpdfk wrote:ambient sounds in happiness for one. listen to the "bling" sounds in mike's solo in blister

Listen to the chimes in In Repair and Potato girl

One of the most obvious parts is the PIANO in If you Believe

etc............you need to figure some of this stuff on your own

Jamie played Guitat in If You Believe. It is the more prominent sounding one on record.

Axtech · Post by **Axtech** » 6/5/2004, 3:41 pm

gunslinger wrote:mike > steve

or at least olp with mike > olp with steve

i think mike was fully capable of "carrying" songs. in fact, i think he did quite the job of it, because it's obvious now that he carried the band for four goddamn albums. just a thought.

I AM ME · Post by **I AM ME** » 6/5/2004, 3:59 pm

i think technically Steve is a better player, but Mike was a bigger asset to the band. It quickly became apparent just how much Mike influenced the band when he left.

Axtech · Post by **Axtech** » 6/5/2004, 4:07 pm

I don't think he's necessarily better, just a different style. He's got a more familiar style, which is much more comparable to other rock guitarists.

I AM ME · Post by **I AM ME** » 6/5/2004, 4:13 pm

i don't kow about that, he is a grad of Berkley music college, and he's definatly proved to be very able. Mike has a natural instinct for music itself though not just guitar, he played a much larger role in the overall band.

hpdfk · Post by **hpdfk** » 6/5/2004, 5:25 pm

psycho groupie wrote:
hpdfk wrote:ambient sounds in happiness for one. listen to the "bling" sounds in mike's solo in blister

Listen to the chimes in In Repair and Potato girl

One of the most obvious parts is the PIANO in If you Believe

etc............you need to figure some of this stuff on your own

Jamie played Guitat in If You Believe. It is the more prominent sounding one on record.

I know, but he also played the keys. He's probably right next to them in recording, just like he was live.

reza · Post by **reza** » 6/7/2004, 10:50 am

i think that for the first time OLP have something to prove. i mean their album sales have been dropping with every album since clumsy in canada. and even in this very message board there is an insane ammount of criticism...i hope, nay i believe that OLP will totally shut us all up by just shining on this next tour.
maybe it's because i'm young or maybe it's because i'm dumb but i still believe in this band. the next album will eith be the cherryon top, or the final nail in the coffin. let's hope that it isn't the latter of the two........

:evil:

Guided By Voices · Post by **Guided By Voices** » 6/7/2004, 11:54 am

I think the majority of us are cynical because we trusted the band a little too much after Spiritual Machines.

I won't put my trust in the band because of Gravity. Yeah, I know, it's been said before, but back in 2001, OLP was my favorite band for a while, and they had just released the best album I had ever heard to that point, with Spiritual Machines. I saw them live, they blew me away, and it was a complete love-fest.

Then when Gravity was slated to come out, I joined the board and found the new album online. I heard the album, didn't think it was all that special, but still told myself it was great because I wanted to believe it. After a few more listens and seeing them live a few more times, I realized that they just seemed like a corporate rock band at that point.

So yeah, the album and its supporting tour ruined my faith in the band. I still wanted to believe they could make great music, but the new songs they started playing live left a lot to be desired, musically and lyrically. Then they went on tour with a perennial suck-fest in 3 Doors Down, and I gave up.

They've just went downhill too quickly. They made one of the best albums I've ever heard, then freaked out due to its commercial flop and produced crap. This is why I don't want to believe Wipe... will be all that great, because now that they have great sales in America again (second best selling album in their catalogue here in the States) they're going to try and make the next step to popularity/crap.

So yeah.

Waiting to Exist · Post by **Waiting to Exist** » 6/7/2004, 12:03 pm

Of course, I can't say too much about this simply because I don't know what the band's motivations behind Gravity actually were... you'd have to talk to OLP to learn that.

However, on the off-chance the last one was money driven, rather than personal-desire driven, they could figure, "Well, we got that out of the way, let's make something for us."

That depends, of course, on their being greedy, which I never considered OLP to really be, no moreso than most people, at least.

Guided By Voices · Post by **Guided By Voices** » 6/7/2004, 12:45 pm

When a band loses the artistic influence, crap will follow.

Post by **faninor** » 6/7/2004, 5:31 pm

I would be somewhat disappointed that OLP's sets don't vary very much, but it's not like they mixed their sets up a lot in the past. They've been doing better at varying the songs than Led Zeppelin did after about 1975.

1998 (January - February) Canadian tour
Automatic Flowers / Hope / Superman's Dead / The Birdman / Car Crash / Trapeze / Julia / Let You Down / Carnival / Naveed / Neon Crossing / Starseed / Dear Prudence / 4AM / Clumsy

Same. 15. songs. every. single. night. The order was switched up some though.

2000 (February) Canadian tour
Dirty Walls / The Birdman / Automatic Flowers / One Man Army / Either Potato Girl or Waited / Thief / 4AM / Naveed / Carnival (dropped part way through tour) / Stealing Babies / Clumsy / Blister / Teardrop / Starseed / Is Anybody Home / Superman's Dead

15 to 16 songs. One song switched for another after the first few shows, woo hoo, and Carnival was dropped from the setlist with no replacement part way through the tour.

2000 (November/December) Canadian tour
Middle Of Yesterday / Right Behind You (Mafia) / In Repair / Are You Sad? / Everyone's A Junkie / Made To Heal / If You Believe / Life / Car Crash / Julia / Automatic Flowers / Superman's Dead / One Man Army / Naveed / Carnival / Thief / Clumsy / Stealing Babies / 4AM / Is Anybody Home? / Supersatellite / Starseed

22 songs, and usually 1 or 2 additions or replacements on any given night.

2003 (January/February) Canadian tour
All For You / Do You Like It / Superman's Dead / Naveed-Life / Not Enough / Bring Back The Sun / Innocent / One Man Army / Whatever / Right Behind You (Mafia) / Is Anybody Home / Are you Sad? / Our Time Is Fading / The Birdman / Clumsy / Starseed / In Repair / Drive (The Cars Cover) / Somewhere Out There / 4AM

20 songs, Automatic Flowers played instead of Are You Sad? and the order was changed up some once.

And while it's nice to hope for something like the Spiritual Machines tour, I see no reason to be disappointed when it doesn't happen.

Tattooed Angels · Post by **Tattooed Angels** » 6/7/2004, 5:53 pm

It's about time someone else said it besides me.

The ones on here complaining, forget that OLP play for 1000's of people. I was talking with one of my friends last night. I said to her I think there is about 30 of us now between USA/EUROPE/CANADA who follow the band.(see them multiply times on one tour) That is 30 out of thousands. Most people don't see the band over and over.

Besides not many bands really change up their list. I think Pearl Jam is one of the very few who do different sets, but that is PJ, not OLP.

Besides-Let's say the band does change their set nightly. You will still complain cause the night you go maynot be the night they play stuff you want to hear. That happened to me witha friend. We both went to see the Rolling Stones in 89'. My show got Harlem Shuffle while her show got One Hit to the Body. Samre thing happend when we saw U2. I got ultraviolet, she didn't.

and speakin gof U2(who are one of the biggest bands in the world) one last tour,list. aybe 5 different set. They were all basically the same. They only changed a handful of songs. Even people like Sting(another huge star) deos the same set. I saw him in January one year, then again in September. He did the same set. SO What. Big deal.

If it really bothers you don't go to shows. It is that simple.

lemonphile4 · Post by **lemonphile4** » 6/7/2004, 9:04 pm

Guided By Voices wrote:They made one of the best albums I've ever heard, then freaked out due to its commercial flop and produced crap.

You don't know for sure that that's the reason they changed their sound. You can have your theories, but you will not know unless you go up to one of the guys and say, "So, how come your new stuff doesn't sound like Spiritual Machines?"

He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named · Post by **He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named** » 6/7/2004, 9:24 pm

lemonphile4 wrote:
Guided By Voices wrote:They made one of the best albums I've ever heard, then freaked out due to its commercial flop and produced crap.

You don't know for sure that that's the reason they changed their sound. You can have your theories, but you will not know unless you go up to one of the guys and say, "So, how come your new stuff doesn't sound like Spiritual Machines?"

You know, I truly see where OLP is coming from when they talk about "the new direction". It doesn't mean I enjoy that particular type of music as much, but I definitely accept them as artists for what they are trying to do.

They said they had "more fun" making Gravity than any other album. Well hell yes! You are recording songs in a few takes in a beach house in Maui instead of tweaking a single song for 2 weeks with constant button pressing in a stuffy room in Toronto. The guys said they felt so inspired there. Easy to see where that comes from. Watching the sunrise in Maui is a much more liberating experience than honking your horn in the city.

Financially, this band is nowhere near their success as they were in the Clumsy/Happiness era. In the US (the big market), despite their apparent attempt to "sell out" they are still "that one band that sings that song I heard a few times". It's pretty obvious that if they were trying to make multimillions, they would have probably called it quits.

In all seriousness, Spiritual Machines is the epitome of my musical tastes and to me is far and away OLP's greatest album. To my ears, OLP made better music in the Mike Turner era, but I can also hear that Steve Mazur can play a hell of a guitar too, and we haven't even touched the surface with his writing.

But look at it from their perspective. Make album in Maui. Have make music differently and in a new, fresh way, completely different than before. Or, go back to Toronto, spend a year in the studio, and get incredibly disgruntled along the way.

I know which one I'm picking. Do I like Gravity more than OLP's other albums? No way. Do I see where they are coming from? Absolutely.

Would I love to see a flexible setlist? Sure would. Actually, it wouldn't surprise me to see a bit of mixing it up on the new tour, now that Steve is much more accustomed to the band and the band more accustomed to him. We were spoiled song-wise by the SM tour. Even then, OLP has never been the Dave Matthews type when it comes to setlists.

Johnny · Post by **Johnny** » 6/7/2004, 9:53 pm

To quote myself:

"They didn't do a very good job at selling out"

And I don' think its obvious that they're actively trying to pull down the big $$$

He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named · Post by **He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named** » 6/7/2004, 9:56 pm

Dr. Johnythan wrote:To quote myself:

"They didn't do a very good job at selling out"

And I don' think its obvious that they're actively trying to pull down the big $$$

I remember that post and thought about quoting it, but I did not know who said it.

Alas, now I know. :nod:

Johnny · Post by **Johnny** » 6/7/2004, 9:57 pm

reza · Post by **reza** » 6/8/2004, 9:51 am

well maybe now that they've established themselves in the states they'll start doing some edgier stuff like on hapiness... maybe that's just wishful thinking. also don't forget, the face of rock has changed since gravity. when SOT came, rock was just starting to make a resurgance in mainstream media. now that it has finally arrived, perhaps they get back to the greatness we know and love.
and don't forget, grundge is dead as much as i hate to say it, it is.......so is post-grundge and the sound we loved in Naveed a and Clumsy is too.......si doubt that if they were to release Clumsy here and now it would sell as well as it did back then.......

:evil:

hpdfk · Post by **hpdfk** » 6/9/2004, 8:51 pm

You guys are saying that OLP isn't pearl jam and therefore can't mix up the setlist. Why not? Why can't they be like Pearl Jam? What's negative about changing the setlist around. The fans that see them once a tour won't know the diffence and will probably be just as satisfied as they are when the setlist is the same.