Setlist Discussion for the next OLP tour.

Waiting to Exist · Post by **Waiting to Exist** » 6/3/2004, 9:41 pm

You're probably life.
EDIT: What the hell? Life=right.

AnnieDreams · Post by **AnnieDreams** » 6/4/2004, 2:46 pm

Guided By Voices wrote:Well, if you don't like more than 20 of the songs you wrote, then why write them? If it's such a big problem to play them live, they never should have made the album, because some people have a penchant for listening to songs that aren't singles. If it's not off the new album, it's a single. That's just wrong.

And by the way, no one requires you to read these threads. Maybe people talk about the set lists because < gasp > this is a thread about set lists! That's just an idea. I might be wrong.

I didn't mean that they stopped liking half their songs. I meant that maybe with a couple of the songs, or maybe just one, one member is like, "I don't really enjoy playing this." so now they don't play it any more. I didn't say that this was the main cause of their setlist not being changed around, just that it could be a small factor.

Also, I said I wasn't complaining. I just found it slightly weird how alike it was to the other thread that was close to a year ago.

neoncrossing · Post by **neoncrossing** » 6/4/2004, 3:22 pm

I think the only reason for the last tour's setlists being the same was that they would have had to teach Steve to play some older songs and practice them, and i think they just didnt have a lot of time because they played a lot of shows. So they taught him the singles and obviously most of gravity cause he was in the studio for some of it. I think they might surprise us with one or two non-single fan favourites....if i had to guess i would say maybe Stealing Babies, Car Crash, Julia, The Wonderful Future....but then again they may never play those cause there is a lot of overdubs and several guitars in those songs, and they are now only a four piece, so.......that is my rant

Johnny · Post by **Johnny** » 6/4/2004, 3:27 pm

^

Some songs, especially Happiness and SM songs wont sound to great with just Steve.

hpdfk · Post by **hpdfk** » 6/4/2004, 3:54 pm

Songs they should play again (excluding the fact mike's not in the band anymore and they are a four piece band now)

Out of Here
Ordinary (my favorite rarity despite horrible quality and commentary over it)
Trapeze
OLD Naveed
Let You Down
Car Crash
Julia
Piano Julia
Supersattelite ala Naveed tours
Denied
Lying Awake
Blister
Waited
Potato Girl
If You Believe
Carnival
Yourself
Everyone's a Junkie
Sorry

Songs they should cut that have been in rotation forever:
Starseed (they do it to fast and too sloppy now)
IAH only because the audience can NEVER get the chorus right and it annoys me
Clumsy (it's just not the same live. I think it's annoying)

Songs They should Keep
Birdman (I have newfound respect for that song)
In Repair (I think the new version is great)

And that's all that I want to type right now

And this is totally off topic, but if they made a dissident version of SOT (have it be angrier) I think that would be pretty sweet. If they did it with carnival, they could do it with SOT

Waiting to Exist · Post by **Waiting to Exist** » 6/4/2004, 5:10 pm

Now, I know nothing of guitar, and have never seen OLP live, so pardon my upcoming foolishness.

What's the difference between the way they (Mike and Steve) play a song? I mean, the strings they hit and stuff should be the same, right?

I am confused.

Tattooed Angels · Post by **Tattooed Angels** » 6/4/2004, 5:28 pm

Waiting to Exist wrote:Now, I know nothing of guitar, and have never seen OLP live, so pardon my upcoming foolishness.

What's the difference between the way they (Mike and Steve) play a song? I mean, the strings they hit and stuff should be the same, right? I am confused.

The only difference I see is the way they play & style. There really isn't much difference to me. The only noticivle difference I have seen in OLP shows is that they are much tighter live. They were starting to get tight around the end of the happiness tour/SM tour.

As for speculation of why they don't do songs. I think they stick to the currenct CD and songs off tthe last cd, and the hits, singles whathave you.

alot of you are under the inpression Steve doesn't know the songs. He knows alot more then we give him credit for. Just cause the band doesn't play them doesn't mean he doesn't know the songs.

How many of you out there who play guitar can play the OLP songs(and the band hasn't taught you) How do you know Stever didn't learn it on his own?

It may just be they want to concentrate on later material and not so much the earlier stuff.

Waiting to Exist · Post by **Waiting to Exist** » 6/4/2004, 5:36 pm

What do you mean by tighter?

Guided By Voices · Post by **Guided By Voices** » 6/4/2004, 5:43 pm

All I know is, there had better be some drastic changes to the setlist come their next tour because there's no excuse for the same set each and every time now. They'll be losing a chunk of fans if they continue the same 20 songs per show.

Tattooed Angels · Post by **Tattooed Angels** » 6/4/2004, 5:55 pm

Waiting to Exist wrote:What do you mean by tighter?

They just seemed to sound better live. It had a much organized sound. More intune with each other. Like you would know what the other person was going to do before they did it. They just sounded much more at ease then in earlier years.

Alan.
I don't know why you even bother going to an OLP show. It is quite obvious you lost interest in the band and don't like them anymore. What makes you think they will really change on this tour then from any other tour.

I also don't know why the whole setlist thing bothers you now. They did the same thing when Mike was in the band( unless you never saw them with Mike)

My suggestion to you is don't even bother going.

lemonphile4 · Post by **lemonphile4** » 6/4/2004, 6:04 pm

psycho groupie wrote:How many of you out there who play guitar can play the OLP songs(and the band hasn't taught you) How do you know Stever didn't learn it on his own?

This reminds me of when Steve first joined the band and there was this big deal about how he used to drive across the border to get OLP albums when they were released in Canada before everywhere else. Not many people would make any sort of drive for a band they didn't already love.

Waiting to Exist · Post by **Waiting to Exist** » 6/4/2004, 6:13 pm

Aw. How cute.

Tattooed Angels · Post by **Tattooed Angels** » 6/4/2004, 6:14 pm

lemonphile4 wrote:
psycho groupie wrote:How many of you out there who play guitar can play the OLP songs(and the band hasn't taught you) How do you know Stever didn't learn it on his own?

This reminds me of when Steve first joined the band and there was this big deal about how he used to drive across the border to get OLP albums when they were released in Canada before everywhere else. Not many people would make any sort of drive for a band they didn't already love.

I only ask that question cause we ( a few other fans and I) spoke to Steve about songs we love to see done. I think we made a joke like get the band to teach you. He told us he knew them. and Yeah I remember that also.
Next week will be my 2nd anniversary or meeting Steve( and seeing the band with him for the first time)

WOW, I remember that show like Yesterday. Birch Hill Nite Club. It was pouring outside so they let people in to see the soundcheck. It was funny cause James( Drum/Bass Tech) was holding an umbrella over Jeremy. :mrgreen:

Post by **xjsb125** » 6/4/2004, 7:25 pm

Waiting to Exist wrote:Now, I know nothing of guitar, and have never seen OLP live, so pardon my upcoming foolishness.

What's the difference between the way they (Mike and Steve) play a song? I mean, the strings they hit and stuff should be the same, right? I am confused.

There are lots of differences. Jimi Hendrix and Stevie Ray Vaughan could both play Voodoo Child, but they sound different. Mike and Steve use different guitars that make different sounds. Mike's style was more precise and slower on songs. Steverrr plays the songs faster and not as controlled it seems. Robbo, Alan, or Johnathan could elbaborate on it more than me since all I can play is the radio.

Axtech · Post by **Axtech** » 6/4/2004, 7:40 pm

Exactly. The player defines the sound, not the instrument. A close listen can easily tell major differences between bootlegs of the same songs played by each guitarist. Mike had a very precise style that bordered on the ambient - he rarely used power chord progressions (though he did use them from time to time, these were usually just the backdrop for his ambient leads), and tended to go for a more stylized sound. Steve, on the other hand, has a much heavier style, plays the songs much faster, and is pretty messy. His playing is very riff driven, and he rarely goes for the picking style that Mike did. If you watch a video of Mike playing, you can see that he's playing a lead that seems to jump all over the place, where as Steve uses a more traditional rock style - playing either simple power chords (which he kind of has to, since Jamie or Mike E aren't there to do that while he could do lead), or a picking style in a single position. Mike's lead picking often seems somewhat random, but is actually a carefully calculated series of sounds.

The difference can be boiled down to two factors.

Steve: Messy
Mike: Calculated

And, to work with the Susan-coined phrase:

Steve: Lead guitar
Mike: l337 guitar

Axtech · Post by **Axtech** » 6/4/2004, 7:41 pm

xjsb125 wrote:all I can play is the radio.

Dude, I've been looking for a radioist. You want to join my band?

Waiting to Exist · Post by **Waiting to Exist** » 6/4/2004, 7:45 pm

That would be the best band ever.

Post by **xjsb125** » 6/4/2004, 7:46 pm

Let's rock!

Axtech · Post by **Axtech** » 6/4/2004, 7:47 pm

I've already got a name for the band, too.

Villie Manillie!

Johnny · Post by **Johnny** » 6/4/2004, 7:48 pm

Can I be a part of the band too?