The reason you didn't notice a difference is that Steve is currently just playing Mike's work.
umm... is there any other way? like just cause Mike left does that mean the band must scrap anything and everything they've done together and start fresh with Steve?
that would be horrible... Steve is just doing the best he can to continue where Mike left off, and i think thats all we can ask. He has to add his on flair to songs, and i bet if you asked Mike, he'd probably say that what Steve is doing is good.
I don't think the band is trying to make Steve do these changes. It's just Steve doing what he does, and that is plain and simply, play the guitar to the best of his ability
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I wonder if this debate occurred when Chris "Who?" Eacrett was replaced by Duncan. After all, Duncan is playing Chris' "work" from Naveed. Can anyone deny the bass presence on Naveed? Many of you probably don't even blink an eye because you didn't really start listening to OLP until after Naveed era. Sure, you own Naveed and all, but you probably never developed a strong link with Chris because he was gone before you got it. After Mike left, Steve had huge shoes to fill and I think he's doing the best he can with doubtful onlookers waiting for him to fail. Cut him some slack. He's not trying to be Mike and I'm sure he doesn't want to be compared to Mike.
I have to say, Steve is awesome! I mean, sure, Mike was good, but Steve just has way more energy! I was standing right infront of him at the fargo show, and he was great!
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i could really care less if turner played from a wheel chair and as a result was absolutely ineffective live.
i don't care if steve does backflips while playing guitar, the point is, without mike in the band, the quality of music produced by the band has dropped dramatically.
this could be a coincidence but i somehow doubt it.
CoreyRIT wrote:I wonder if this debate occurred when Chris "Who?" Eacrett was replaced by Duncan. After all, Duncan is playing Chris' "work" from Naveed. Can anyone deny the bass presence on Naveed? Many of you probably don't even blink an eye because you didn't really start listening to OLP until after Naveed era. Sure, you own Naveed and all, but you probably never developed a strong link with Chris because he was gone before you got it. After Mike left, Steve had huge shoes to fill and I think he's doing the best he can with doubtful onlookers waiting for him to fail. Cut him some slack. He's not trying to be Mike and I'm sure he doesn't want to be compared to Mike.
I was waiting for SOmeone to say Duncan is playing *CHRIS' WORK* everytime he does stuff off Naveed. it is nice to see someone hasn't forgotten Chris.
P.S. I think Duncan is an awesome BASS player. I think he added to the Naveed Era of Stuff.
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STEVE IS BETTER, its not a matter of opnion
whenever you have to people who do the samething one is obviously going to be better then the other its a simple fact
and you can like mike more and pretend he still a part of the band like some of you seem to do which i dont really care but you cant honestly say steves playing isnt far better
YourJesus wrote:Gravity is a good disc, but come on... it is not "10 times better" then spiritual machines.
by saying that you're practically commiting blasphemy.
I didn't say anything about Gravity being better than Spiritual Machines .. when I said they're 10 times better I meant as a band. They've really come together and don't seem so separated anymore. As a whole and as a unit they seem much stronger and are enjoying themselves more. That's what I meant when I said with Steve, things seem much better.
i think, and will continue to think that they have such different styles that they are incomparable. we all know that mike is an amazing musician with great ideas and he is excellent at what he does. steve is also mindblowing. i've seen him onstage and i absoloutely love watching him play and do random trippy intros and instrumental bridges he is very good at what he does. its just that olp wanted a different style of guitarist and steve fit the bill. i don't think either one is better than the other...they both rock my socks
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^^ Exactly, they're both good in their own style .. Steve's just happens to fit with what OLP wants right now. Also who know's how much Mike actually 'wrote' since ALL their names are included as the writers. Steve is obviously talented and the music becoming less complex has nothing to do with Steve at all .. Steve joining the band did not cuz them to go simpler so stop blaming it on him. The music and lyrics were already written by the time he joined ... and since Steve hasn't written anything yet then lay off the poor guy and give him a chance! You have nothing to judge him on other than your bitterness over Mike leaving .. Mike is gone, move on and get over it, he's not coming back.
Hey primetimefool, have you seen OLP yet this year? If not why don't you listen to a bootleg. Since OLP added Steve their shows are a whole hell of a lot better than with Mike. Steve does more than just play the actual song. He adds to everything he plays, he brings energy to the band, and overall, he makes the band better. But I guess no matter what anyone says or does, the immobile Mike Turner, who became a rhythm guitarist at the end (if you look Jamie was doing all the work) is just so much better.
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