Burn Burn, thoughts?

Carson79 · Post by **Carson79** » 9/21/2009, 9:25 am

Spange wrote:
Codes wrote:Heres my 2 cents

This cd is really good, and I think it is getting way to much hate. It has three amazing songs Paper moon, monkey brains, escape artist. These songs alone make up for the garbage we got on the last cd. Sadly these are the only songs that seem to bring back some kind of nostalgic feeling, the rest seem like they were created solely for the purpose of mainstream pop radio. Single choices are also terrible, and leaving The Right stuff of the main cd was a mistake lol, could have easily been a smash first single

I love the cd. Paper Moon, Monkey Brains and Escape Artist are my fav songs too

Yes, I am hoping they have at least 3 more singles...see above! :nod:

Waiting to Exist · Post by **Waiting to Exist** » 9/21/2009, 2:03 pm

I would feel guilty if, after everything, OLP tried to please the fans by leaving TRS off the CD, seeing the backlash the live version got. "The fans don't like it? Yeah, let's replace it." And now people love it! Heh. Oops.

DG · Post by DG » 9/21/2009, 2:11 pm

Waiting to Exist wrote:I would feel guilty if, after everything, OLP tried to please the fans by leaving TRS off the CD, seeing the backlash the live version got. "The fans don't like it? Yeah, let's replace it." And now people love it! Heh. Oops.

Haha, like wise. Last time they would listen to us.

NCdudeN2K4 · Post by **NCdudeN2K4** » 9/21/2009, 6:55 pm

People really need to quit hoping for the return of the "old OLP". They're still a good band...In a lot of ways they're better...Mazur is a great guitarist.

Heavy Alibi · Post by **Heavy Alibi** » 9/21/2009, 7:02 pm

? Random? Nobody is bringing up the old OLP

MindsOnLoan · Post by **MindsOnLoan** » 9/21/2009, 7:15 pm

Strong Alibi wrote:? Random? Nobody is bringing up the old OLP

Plus, people (CMers at least) aren't asking for them to put out CDs like "old OLP." They're asking for this band to make genuinely interesting and passionate music and demonstrate their talents, whether it's like old OLP or not. Good music is good. Okay music is just okay.

NCdudeN2K4 · Post by **NCdudeN2K4** » 9/21/2009, 7:29 pm

MindsOnLoan wrote:
Strong Alibi wrote:? Random? Nobody is bringing up the old OLP

Plus, people (CMers at least) aren't asking for them to put out CDs like "old OLP." They're asking for this band to make genuinely interesting and passionate music and demonstrate their talents, whether it's like old OLP or not. Good music is good. Okay music is just okay.

Burn Burn is good music, sir.

Not as abstract as the first four. But good.

MindsOnLoan · Post by **MindsOnLoan** » 9/21/2009, 7:48 pm

Burn Burn has some good songs, but I wouldn't say it's actually good as a whole. I'm not just saying this because "it's not my style" or anything like that, as I make it a point for myself to draw the line between something not being my choice of music and something not being all that good. I've gone through my reasons quite a few times for this.

And in reference of my previous post to this album, I don't really see a lot of these tracks as all that interesting or passionate, at least not on Raine's part. They say they have passion with it, and I don't doubt they're passionate about it, but it didn't exactly translate into the studio. And as for demonstrating their talents, the only member of the band who showed their talents pretty consistently is Duncan Coutts. Sure, the other guys shine here and there, but Duncan provides something interesting on more than just a few tracks.

Carson79 · Post by **Carson79** » 9/21/2009, 7:57 pm

NCdudeN2K4 wrote:People really need to quit hoping for the return of the "old OLP". They're still a good band...In a lot of ways they're better...Mazur is a great guitarist.

Ummm...I like Burn Burn and I am an "Old" OLP fan...A smart band is not defined by one song/album/era so I am ok with the direction. I think a lot of points made on CM are more personal opinions and constructive critism (ok, and some bitching, lol). I think Mazur gets a lot of love here, so I'm not sure where that came from.

MindsOnLoan · Post by **MindsOnLoan** » 12/9/2009, 8:48 pm

So am I the only one who is kind of getting the feeling that the band isn't as high on Burn Burn as they say they are?

The only songs being played consistantly are Monkey Brains, Paper Moon, Escape Artist, and AYDWSML. TEIWWB makes a random appearance here and there. Dreamland has been played once since the album's release. White Flags, Time Bomb, and The Right Stuff haven't been played since the album came out. Refuge, Never Get Over You, and Signs of Life haven't been played at all.

I just kind of find it odd that they're speaking so highly of the album to just about everyone, yet they aren't exactly rushing out to play the songs live (from an album they say is basically live in the studio).

Post by **faninor** » 12/9/2009, 9:38 pm

Signs of Life isn't worth them bothering with and Refuge needs a modified arrangement for live performances. I know they were working on White Flags in some soundchecks and I bet we'll see more of it and Dreamland on the Canadian tour. Plus they've been playin 2 - 3 songs less than past tours, I guess they've just stuck with the hits instead of playing more from Burn Burn.

For better or worse there's always a song or a few on each album that never really saw the light of day in concert -- Is it Safe, Under Zenith, Shaking, The Story of 100 Aisles, Happiness and the Fish, Annie, Consequence of Laughing, Made to Heal, All, My Friends, The Wonderful Future, Made of Steel, Sell My Soul, Sorry, Apology, Don't Stop, Al Genina were all uncommon to hear on their respective albums' tour, I think.

But yeah, their live shows have not been saying "this is a record that we're just so proud of" quite as much their words have.

Post by **saman** » 12/9/2009, 9:40 pm

D: i like signs of life best out of the whole cd

Post by **faninor** » 12/9/2009, 9:51 pm

Aww, maybe they'll bother with it! That one's just unremarkable for me. I know I've heard the song at least 5 times by now but it isn't memorable to me (to the point that I honestly can't remember what it sounds like). Any other OLP song I can tell you what it sounds like!

Heavy Alibi · Post by **Heavy Alibi** » 12/9/2009, 10:00 pm

Signs of Life sounds way too much like Raine's solo stuff for my comfort. I love Raine's solo work, but it should be totally separate from OLP, which even Raine has said.

Carson79 · Post by **Carson79** » 12/9/2009, 10:03 pm

faninor wrote:
But yeah, their live shows have not been saying "this is a record that we're just so proud of" quite as much their words have.

No one could disagree with that - this whole Canadian tour is promoting 2 old albums, not Burn Burn. I guess to their defence they did the festival thing with Burn Burn in Canada in the summer. They have made A LOT of people happy with this 2010 Canadian Tour though.

Post by **saman** » 12/9/2009, 10:07 pm

faninor wrote:Aww, maybe they'll bother with it! That one's just unremarkable for me. I know I've heard the song at least 5 times by now but it isn't memorable to me (to the point that I honestly can't remember what it sounds like). Any other OLP song I can tell you what it sounds like!

it's the opposite for me. signs of life is actually the only one i can recognize as soon as it comes on. i have to wait or check for the others.

Heavy Alibi · Post by **Heavy Alibi** » 12/9/2009, 10:09 pm

MsCarson79 wrote:
faninor wrote:
But yeah, their live shows have not been saying "this is a record that we're just so proud of" quite as much their words have.

No one could disagree with that - this whole Canadian tour is promoting 2 old albums, not Burn Burn. I guess to their defence they did the festival thing with Burn Burn in Canada in the summer. They have made A LOT of people happy with this 2010 Canadian Tour though.

For anyone who missed Jer and Duncan's Monday interview, Jeremy said that the reason they're harking back to their old albums is because fans keep coming up to them and asking for them to "play the old, deeper stuff" again (exact quote from Jer). In otherwords, OLP is awesome because they care about their fans. But yeah, I can certainly agree that they're not as enthusiastic about Burn Burn in practice as they are in interviews.

Carson79 · Post by **Carson79** » 12/9/2009, 10:17 pm

I think doing this particular tour in Canada is the best move, not only for the fans but for the band. Everyone I know listened to OLP when Naveed/Clumsy happened - now many people I talk to don't even realize they have a new album out. They are popular in Canada, but not the same way they used to be. Doing this will bring people in and in return promote Burn Burn - and make OLP a quick buck (because the people will come for Clumsy/SM.)

NCdudeN2K4 · Post by **NCdudeN2K4** » 12/9/2009, 11:08 pm

At this moment I feel like Burn Burn is their worst album...Way too simplistic.

Flynner · Post by **Flynner** » 12/9/2009, 11:12 pm

I like Burn Burn alot, love Paper Moon, Escape Artist, Monkey Brains, The Right Stuff, and Dreamland especially.