New album post-hipt??

Heavy Alibi · Post by **Heavy Alibi** » 9/17/2008, 7:48 am

Well...sorry. Having only been here for a month or so, I haven't really had my chance to vent about their change in music, something I'm sure every fan thinks about. I'm sure you've already had your time to vent and I apologize for continually bringing this subject up.

myownsatellite · Post by **myownsatellite** » 9/17/2008, 8:31 am

You've been here for three months, not one, and yes, you have vented (quite a bit actually, I think that's all I can remember seeing you state on here since you joined) about their change. While yes, you are a new member, I think limiting the venting and actually talking more about what's going on, the state of the music now, what's to come, etc. instead of constantly complaining would be a more productive way of contributing to this board. I know I don't really appreciate hearing all the time how much they've changed and how much that may suck - I'm sure others are pretty tired of it too. I don't remember us actually "venting" this much, even when the last couple of albums came out. Granted, I don't think I was here when Gravity came out, but even HIPT wasn't complained about this much.

Like Matt, I'm not saying this to be mean, I'm just trying to explain why we're all getting a little fed up with the complaining and the wishing they'd go back to their old sound, because it is such old news, it is such an old complaint, and whether you're new or not, there's no reason for post after post about how much they've changed and how much that sucks. Bands change, and everyone knows that. There's not a single band out there that hasn't had an album or two that wasn't popular with their fans, that maybe wasn't up to par with the rest of them, that had a different sound than anything they had done before. It's called experimenting, evolving, and growing. I'm telling you this because I want you to get the most out of this board, and contribute as a friendly happy member, instead of being the person who hates the new OLP sound and has nothing good to say about it, and makes sure everyone knows it every chance you get. That may sound harsh, but it's meant to be constructive criticism.

Matt. · Post by **Matt.** » 9/17/2008, 8:43 am

myownsatellite wrote:]Bands change, and everyone knows that. There's not a single band out there that hasn't had an album or two that wasn't popular with their fans, that maybe wasn't up to par with the rest of them, that had a different sound than anything they had done before. It's called experimenting, evolving, and growing.

*waits for the obligatory "well, there's a difference between evolving and selling out.. man, I would so kill to hear them make a Clumsy part two!"*

Heavy Alibi · Post by **Heavy Alibi** » 9/17/2008, 9:01 am

well, there's a difference between....welcoming/respecting new members and continually mocking them and dismissing their opinions and considerations. Why are so many of you so bitter? I thought talking about OLP with some older, more experienced fans would be a good experience. Jeez, I even said I was sorry for continually bringing this up.

And I don't always complain about their new music, I've often complimented it. I just tend to get carried away with specifying every little thing I like and don't like about it, and this is because I love OLP so much and want them to continue to amaze me and sometimes am disappointed. I said I loved the chorus of "White Flag", but didn't like the verses. Is that so fucking negative? I mean, look at my signature for cryin out loud, it's from their new song. Sorry if I didn't fit into y'alls expectations of a new fan who should ignore all his thoughts and feelings about his favorite band's new album, and just write about irrelevent jokes and other nonsense.

Random Name · Post by **Random Name** » 9/17/2008, 9:14 am

I'm going to start another topic on this, because to be honest... It's a valid discussion. I know everyone who has been posting for ages has been venting for like 5 years and is sick of it. But I would really like to see a genuine discussion of is, and if you want to go ahead and post "uhhhh omg dis is a deadhorse!!" then just stop reading that topic!

Also cause I don't want to crap on the newbs anymore.

Random Name · Post by **Random Name** » 9/17/2008, 9:17 am

oohh look. I split a topic!

Matt. · Post by **Matt.** » 9/17/2008, 9:23 am

Patrick Stattic wrote:well, there's a different between....welcoming/respecting new members and continually mocking them and dismissing their opinions and considerations. Why are so many of you so bitter? I thought talking about OLP with some older, more experienced fans would be a good experience. Jeez, I even said I was sorry for continually bringing this up.

And I don't always complain about their new music, I've often complimented it. I just tend to get carried away with specifying every little thing I like and don't like about it, and this is because I love OLP so much and want them to continue to amaze me and sometimes am disappointed. I said I loved the chorus of "White Flag", but didn't like the verses. Is that so fucking negative? Sorry if I didn't fit into y'alls expectations of a new fan who should ignore all his thoughts and feelings about his favorite band's new album, and just write about irrelevent jokes and other nonsense.

*sigh* It's not like that at all. I know you're new to the OLP community but you have to understand that for the last 6 years since Gravity dropped in 2002, this is literally where every conversation about the band and their musical direction eventually ends up. How Arnold leaving caused this.. How Mike leaving caused that.. How Bob Rock destroyed their sound..

I know I can't speak for anyone else here, but quite frankly, I'm sick of it. It's not your fault at all, it's just it's gone on for far too long. It'd be like if your parents split up half a decade ago and yet at every family get together, you still argue over which family member led to the degradation of your apparent well being. I've said this before, if I never had to hear the name Bob Rock in an Our Lady Peace related discussion ever again, I'd be so incredibly happy.

/rant

Heavy Alibi · Post by **Heavy Alibi** » 9/17/2008, 9:24 am

Okay, I understand your point. I'm sorry for perpetuating this type of discussion, and I'll try to be more positive from now on. I know some of the other newbies who post a lot like I do, and maybe they can consider this as well.

Neil · Post by **Neil** » 9/17/2008, 9:33 am

Do I have permission to make junk-punching noobs a CM past time? :lol:

I'm totally joking.

myownsatellite · Post by **myownsatellite** » 9/17/2008, 9:35 am

·Suthy· wrote:*sigh* It's not like that at all. I know you're new to the OLP community but you have to understand that for the last 6 years since Gravity dropped in 2002, this is literally where every conversation about the band and their musical direction eventually ends up. How Arnold leaving caused this.. How Mike leaving caused that.. How Bob Rock destroyed their sound..

I know I can't speak for anyone else here, but quite frankly, I'm sick of it. It's not your fault at all, it's just it's gone on for far too long. It'd be like if your parents split up half a decade ago and yet at every family get together, you still argue over which family member led to the degradation of your apparent well being. I've said this before, if I never had to hear the name Bob Rock in an Our Lady Peace related discussion ever again, I'd be so incredibly happy.

/rant

Thank you, that's exactly what I was trying to say. Like I said, it's nothing against the noobs. It's a dead horse, and I'm sick of hearing all these whiny posts about how they suck now, go back to Clumsy and Naveed and be good again! Again, constructive criticism about how to be productive on this site. Not degrading to noobs.

Heavy Alibi · Post by **Heavy Alibi** » 9/17/2008, 9:42 am

I think the main reason newbies (to OLP music, not to this forum) like me are still stuck on the style changes back in 2002, is because we weren't fans back then to experience the change, we're just listening to their WHOLE library now, and we're questioning how the first four albums could be so much different than the last two. Just saying. Anyway, we still think Raine Maida is god.

Johnny · Post by **Johnny** » 9/17/2008, 9:47 am

OLP sux teh pen0rz!Q@

lolololololollolz

Random Name · Post by **Random Name** » 9/17/2008, 10:01 am

·Suthy· wrote:
Patrick Stattic wrote:well, there's a different between....welcoming/respecting new members and continually mocking them and dismissing their opinions and considerations. Why are so many of you so bitter? I thought talking about OLP with some older, more experienced fans would be a good experience. Jeez, I even said I was sorry for continually bringing this up.

And I don't always complain about their new music, I've often complimented it. I just tend to get carried away with specifying every little thing I like and don't like about it, and this is because I love OLP so much and want them to continue to amaze me and sometimes am disappointed. I said I loved the chorus of "White Flag", but didn't like the verses. Is that so fucking negative? Sorry if I didn't fit into y'alls expectations of a new fan who should ignore all his thoughts and feelings about his favorite band's new album, and just write about irrelevent jokes and other nonsense.

*sigh* It's not like that at all. I know you're new to the OLP community but you have to understand that for the last 6 years since Gravity dropped in 2002, this is literally where every conversation about the band and their musical direction eventually ends up. How Arnold leaving caused this.. How Mike leaving caused that.. How Bob Rock destroyed their sound..

I know I can't speak for anyone else here, but quite frankly, I'm sick of it. It's not your fault at all, it's just it's gone on for far too long. It'd be like if your parents split up half a decade ago and yet at every family get together, you still argue over which family member led to the degradation of your apparent well being. I've said this before, if I never had to hear the name Bob Rock in an Our Lady Peace related discussion ever again, I'd be so incredibly happy.

/rant

I know you are not being negative, but whats the point in trying to shut down a discussion just because you've already had it?

I don't like this whole 'lets not talk about it' crap.
Its a valid discussion. We have all had it because EVERY fan has it. So why are we trying to tell people they shouldn't?

I hardly do any moderation whatsoever, but I kind of want to get all mod-tyrannical and start deleting posts that try to shut down discussion. If that's what you want, why are you on a discussion board?

Matt. · Post by **Matt.** » 9/17/2008, 10:13 am

To discuss, clearly. The whole 'let's not talk about it' crap is coming about because we HAVE talked about it. Many times. Many many many times.

You can delete my above post if you want to keep the discussion going, it really doesn't matter to me. But you've been here a lot longer than I have, have you ever seen a discussion about this particular topic reach a happy ending?

Random Name · Post by **Random Name** » 9/17/2008, 10:33 am

Dude, no one is trying to come to a clear happy ending. That's not the point in talking about anything.
I'm not trying to say that I have been here longer and thus know better. I'm just saying that if you don't want to talk about this then don't!

But new fans are going to want to. Because you don't want to partake in that discussion does that mean it should be a banned topic? It's pretty much the biggest discussion point when it comes to OLP.

I don't really care what your opinion is, if you want to say that you've heard it all before then thats fine. But don't tell people that they shouldn't have that conversation either. Maybe it's a deadhorse to you, but not everyone feels that way.

myownsatellite · Post by **myownsatellite** » 9/17/2008, 10:49 am

Well then go ahead and have that conversation. But is it necessary to have that discussion in every single thread where new OLP music is brought up? I don't think so. That's why I get to sick of it. Confine it to one thread, or one forum. People can bitch about it all they want in here. I'm just sick of seeing it every time I open an OLP-related thread.

Heavy Alibi · Post by **Heavy Alibi** » 9/17/2008, 10:55 am

Well, my 2 cents on the issue is that this debate on their music style is getting a bit of a revival in the immediate pre-release of their seventh CD, because Raine had been quoted in interviews saying that this album was going to "define them", and that it was going to be a "proper rock album <b>again</b>", suggesting that he himself thinks the last 1 or 2 albums perhaps weren't. I mean, all this hatred toward this type of discussion makes me more or less think that some of you have GIVEN UP on OLP bringing us some great music again.

So I agree with Sarah that it's a valid enough discussion. And I wouldn't really consider the subject matter "old" or "stale", considering we're talking about their NEW CD here.

myownsatellite · Post by **myownsatellite** » 9/17/2008, 11:16 am

That's fine, talk about it, but it doesn't have to be brought up every time someone mentions OLP, which it has been lately. To which, yes, it does get OLD.

Heavy Alibi · Post by **Heavy Alibi** » 9/17/2008, 11:32 am

Yeah, I suppose you're right, but it's just such a hard topic to avoid with the current situation. Two less-than-stellar albums, and the question of "what now". Now that Raine's admitted and talked about Bob Rock "pushing him in that direction" and the lesser quality of Gravity and HIPT in interviews, I just think a lot of us are wondering what their next album will bring to the table.

I should make it clear that I'm not asking for "Clumsy #2" like someone suggested, I just want something fresh, inventive, and awe-inspiring. I mean, this is an OLP forum isn't it? What else are we supposed to discuss?

nikki4982 · Post by **nikki4982** » 9/17/2008, 12:38 pm

Hunh. I thought the majority of OLP conversation lately was pretty constructive in its criticism. Yeah, Arn/Mike/Bob came up, but only briefly. We've talked a bit about Raine's solo work influencing OLP's new music, but that's a pretty new phenomenon, and isn't exactly a dead horse. Sure, it probably will be in the future, but it's certainly not yet.

Nobody's been flat out "OMG THIS SUXORS!!1/1!1`1" with no real opinion to back it up... everyone's been discussing pretty in depth about what they like/don't like about the new songs. Isn't that what band messageboards are about?