THE DECADE ALBUM COVER

Random Name · Post by **Random Name** » 9/27/2006, 11:12 am

Wow. this went from a conversation about how wicked the cover was to being really harsh.

Chill out people.

tasha · Post by **tasha** » 9/27/2006, 11:54 am

i still love it

Sonya · Post by **Sonya** » 9/27/2006, 11:56 am

me too.

Teedus · Post by **Teedus** » 9/27/2006, 6:34 pm

Our Lady Peace

Hope · Post by **Hope** » 9/27/2006, 6:39 pm

Um... people, chill. Kathy, I see your point but I agree, if Kaegan didn't leak the album art, someone else would have. That's a fact.

Kathy · Post by **Kathy** » 9/27/2006, 7:04 pm

Ugh... I wasn't planning on continuing this conversation...

of course you're right that someone else would have done it. But that doesn't make it a good excuse for violating copyright laws, violating the terms of the site, or hurting our chances of getting decent content from Coalition & Sony.

"someone else would have done it anyway". I'd like to see someone try excuse that in court when they've broken the law. Forget the courts.... my mom would never have let me get away with that cop out. Breaking a law/rule is what it is, whether someone else would have done it or not.

No need to keep arguing... I'm talking to myself as usual.

Please continue the love of the artwork discussion.

olpercy · Post by **olpercy** » 9/27/2006, 8:56 pm

saul's hat is great.

Lando · Post by **Lando** » 9/28/2006, 2:57 am

Axtech wrote:wow, an image of something that will be released in a month was shared.

a) that's pretty shoddy exclusive content. a preview of an album cover. whoopie. totally worth money. right.

Rob, you couldn't be more correct about this one. I'm a member of .net and I never go there. I wouldn't have seen the artwork had Kaegan not shared it.

However, the reason I say you're absolutely correct in what you've said is because it's absolute bullshit that an album cover which thousands of people will buy and see in stores across North America and other continents is considered exclusive material for the fanclub. Exclusive material for paid members shouldn't be something I'm going to spend 15-20 dollars to purchase later on anyway. Not to mention all the other thousands of people who will never join www.ourladypeace.net and will still have that same album cover too, just by purchasing the CD.

Look out! if other fanclubs catch on and start giving out such amazingly exclusive items to their members, what's .net going to do next for exclusive material? Start selling pictures of food items we can buy at a grocery store that contain at least the letters O,L and P in them.

HOLY SHIT! OLP.NET JUST PUT UP NEW EXCLUSIVE CONTENT!!! A PICTURE OF A KELLOGG'S FRUIT LOOPS BOX!

I can't wait until next week when they start sharing pictures of the Dole, Pineapple/Orange juice...

Copyright my ass.

Axtech · Post by **Axtech** » 9/28/2006, 11:12 am

Lando wrote:However, the reason I say you're absolutely correct in what you've said is because it's absolute bullshit that an album cover which thousands of people will buy and see in stores across North America and other continents is considered exclusive material for the fanclub. Exclusive material for paid members shouldn't be something I'm going to spend 15-20 dollars to purchase later on anyway. Not to mention all the other thousands of people who will never join www.ourladypeace.net and will still have that same album cover too, just by purchasing the CD.

not only that, but you'll be able to view the exact same image (possibly even higher resolution) on sites like amazon soon enough

menomena · Post by **menomena** » 9/28/2006, 11:20 am

That's exactly right. Within a week, the cover will be on amazon.com and every other website that sells music. It's just a fact people. There's no need to get mad about someone posting a picture of the album cover, considering people are are going to buy it anyway, even though the people that will buy it already have all the songs on the original albums. Just a thought.

Anyways, it's not a big deal, that's all.

Kathy · Post by **Kathy** » 9/28/2006, 12:51 pm

Axtech wrote:not only that, but you'll be able to view the exact same image (possibly even higher resolution) on sites like amazon soon enough

Correct. But not my point. Our job is to provide what fans/members have asked for. We all know .net hasn't been very good at this, but has recently been trying harder. Regardless of whether YOU feel like it's a big deal or not, paying members specifically asked for the first view of the artwork, which THEY felt was something special. And they got it.

YOUR opinion of whether this is an "exclusive" or not doesn't matter... .net provided something that it's members thought was valuable, asked for, and greatly appreciated. THEY feel like they were stolen from when it immediately appeared elsewhere.

And ignore the cover art for a sec because this is part of a larger issue.... In the last year, .net has also had audio streams ripped, and exclusive photos and videos stolen. Is it any wonder that we are up against a wall trying to get real exclusive content? CMers/Hubbers have been requesting better content but have been sabotaging any chance of that happening.

Kathy · Post by **Kathy** » 9/28/2006, 12:53 pm

doctor_odd wrote:What this does for me is ties HIPT to the first four.

ooh someone else said this to me a few hours ago. But he also criticized the cover for being too similar to HIPT, so we had a good argument about that.

Post by **faninor** » 9/28/2006, 3:27 pm

Kathy wrote:And ignore the cover art for a sec because this is part of a larger issue.... In the last year, .net has also had audio streams ripped, and exclusive photos and videos stolen. Is it any wonder that we are up against a wall trying to get real exclusive content?

This just isn't true...

The only "exclusive content" from .net that I've found anywhere else on the Internet (aside from the album cover) is an audio rip of the "Duncan's first ride" video that was made while the video was viewable to all visitors, not just members, and .net more recently outdid by posting a quality studio recording of the song that was in that video (and making it accessible to all site visitors). Oh, and 1 Ask OLP Asks question & answer was reposted on the Clumsy Congress (and it's a good thing too because that same Ask OLP Asks question later disappeared from .net and then copied back from the Clumsy Congress so that Maria could put it back on .net).

I'm aware of ourladypeace.net members who have ripped material and downloaded images from the site that were not made available for downloads; however, from what I understand they've done this just to keep an archived copy and have not shared their rips. Things on the Internet disappear, if nobody rips it then once something is removed from a website it is gone forever, and I doubt that ourladypeace.net members would be satisfied that any content could be removed and unavailable forever at UltraStar or Coalition's whim.

It doesn't make any sense to be worried that members might download material from the website, what would matter is if they shared what they download with people who aren't members. I've heard nothing about that sort of thing happening.

Axtech · Post by **Axtech** » 9/28/2006, 4:25 pm

Kathy wrote:
Axtech wrote:not only that, but you'll be able to view the exact same image (possibly even higher resolution) on sites like amazon soon enough

Correct. But not my point. Our job is to provide what fans/members have asked for. We all know .net hasn't been very good at this, but has recently been trying harder. Regardless of whether YOU feel like it's a big deal or not, paying members specifically asked for the first view of the artwork, which THEY felt was something special. And they got it.

YOUR opinion of whether this is an "exclusive" or not doesn't matter... .net provided something that it's members thought was valuable, asked for, and greatly appreciated. THEY feel like they were stolen from when it immediately appeared elsewhere.

And ignore the cover art for a sec because this is part of a larger issue.... In the last year, .net has also had audio streams ripped, and exclusive photos and videos stolen. Is it any wonder that we are up against a wall trying to get real exclusive content? CMers/Hubbers have been requesting better content but have been sabotaging any chance of that happening.

Good to know that my opinion, as a member of OLP.net, doesn't matter

Lando · Post by **Lando** » 9/28/2006, 4:30 pm

Kathy wrote:YOUR opinion of whether this is an "exclusive" or not doesn't matter... .net provided something that it's members thought was valuable, asked for, and greatly appreciated.

Wow, some paid members, not all, thought this was valuable. As for an opinion, it's not an opinion to whether or not it is exclusive. It's just not. The album art, something that all OLP fans would be interested in (.net members are not more important) and can be purchased from any retailer can't be considered something for members only. It's going to be internationally sold. Exclusive items for membership aren't something you're going to be selling on an international market. Yes you're right, people do rip streamed content and other actual exclusive member content all the time. Unfortunately, it's not an opinion whether or not an album cover is considered exclusive or not, because everyone's going to be able to see it soon and anyone who wants to purchase the CD is going to own it, .net membership or not.

Kathy wrote:THEY feel like they were stolen from when it immediately appeared elsewhere.

Well they weren't and they shouldn't be such babies, because as you've stated, it doesn't belong to them. It's owned by Sony. So it was shown earlier to the paid members, they aren't any more deserving of seeing something that's going to be on the public market soon enough anyway. Oh wow, I got to see something the whole world will get to see in a month! Are these people you're defending slow? How could anyone feel like they've lost out on something because other people who love the same band will get to see the exact same thing anyway a little later. Are they going to cry when the album is released and they aren't the only ones who have a jpeg of the album art? It sure sounds like it.

Oh yeah and that second part is definitely my opinion.

NCdudeN2K4 · Post by **NCdudeN2K4** » 9/28/2006, 5:03 pm

the whole idea of ourladypeace.net is just...bad. its not a very well executed idea. if you're going to charge for a fansite then you better bring a lot of extras to the table. and constantly be updated, with fresh stuff. an album coverart is not special. it amazes me people actually pay for that site.

Kathy · Post by **Kathy** » 9/28/2006, 5:21 pm

Axtech wrote:Good to know that my opinion, as a member of OLP.net, doesn't matter

Sorry I meant that a few opinions here don't concern me. Most people asked for something, got it, and are happy with what they got. We're trying to take care of "most", because we'll never make everyone happy.

And not only that, most CMers/Hubbers are 1) on free memberships and 2) the hardest people to please. Forgive me for being more concerned about the people who paid for their memberships, and who don't have the highest standards.

NCdudeN2K4 wrote:the whole idea of ourladypeace.net is just...bad. its not a very well executed idea. if you're going to charge for a fansite then you better bring a lot of extras to the table. and constantly be updated, with fresh stuff. an album coverart is not special. it amazes me people actually pay for that site.

Obviously most of us would never have paid for a membership if we knew in advance that there would be so many unfulfilled promises.

But even though the site has failed to deliver, believe it or not, a lot of members are happy with their .net membership experience. Some of them met OLP for the first time when they wouldn't have met the guys otherwise. Some are happy just to have blogs from Steve and a few messages from Raine. And most members just used the fan club presale, not wanting/needing anything else.

Random Name · Post by **Random Name** » 9/28/2006, 5:30 pm

Okay, can we not get into bashing .net please?

Kathy is trying her best to deal with us, which we wern't going to make easy, and is doing her best to keep the members happy. Seeing that we are sharing the work she put into it is obviously making her feel underappriciated, so stop saying that the cover isn't worth anything. If it wasn't then we wouldn't be talking about it now.
The troubles with .net go beyond just moderation, so please don't take our criticisms personally, Kathy.

Ultimately though, I think any good info on the album that gets leaked anywhere is going to show up here if we get our hands on it. Thats just how we work as a fan club. All kinds of info from the old fan sites and other offical olp clubs gets onto here, whether members had to pay or not. Hell just look at the hub. If we cared that much about keeping copyrights protected, the hub wouldn't really exist, now would it?

Let alone the goldmine of videos and songs that we should never have seen/heard.

Post by **faninor** » 9/28/2006, 6:04 pm

Kathy wrote:And not only that, most CMers/Hubbers are 1) on free memberships and 2) the hardest people to please. Forgive me for being more concerned about the people who paid for their memberships, and who don't have the highest standards.

Sure, there are some CMers/Hubbers who are on free memberships, and all of these free memberships are meant to serve as a preview for what they can look forward to if they decide to become a paying member when their free membership ends.

If there were more to please these CMers/Hubbers then they would probably go for a paid membership, but if they remain dissatisfied then they probably won't.

So if you try to please the free CMers/Hubbers as well, they'll be happier and maybe pay for future membership, and less critical people who are already paying members would be like whoa omg this is the best fan club ever!

I was once a paying member, and my opinion then would have been, sure, seeing the art work is nice, I certainly can't complain that .net members get to see it first, but overall it seems fairly unimportant since in a few weeks the artwork will be in stores all over the internet. I certainly wouldn't lose any sleep over the artwork turning up on another website... and I certainly wouldn't think that the artwork being put an another website makes my membership any less valuable. Anyone who uses the Internet for 2 days of their life knows that stealing intellectual property is a huge thing that happens constantly. If not for ourladypeace.net nobody would have seen the artwork yet. So yay for ourladypeace.net.