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The difference is that you would have choice as to whether you wanted to be a part of the hierarchy. If people determine that the eldest in the family is the leader that's fine, but other people are not forced at gunpoint to stay within the structure.
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
It CANNOT work. It's a nice theory... but then again so was communism and we all know where that ended up. Inevitably some hierachy is going to decide that he wants more turf and conflict arises and the winner trumps up and becomes more powerful. And Otheres will see the threat of a bigger entity and swell in size or merge or what have you. In the end you will have wholesale conflict.
You could liken this to gang portection and shop keepers where some places shopkeepers pay gangs for protection (read: Leave them alone) They don't have a choice. If they refuse to pay their shop goes kaboom or something along similar lines. This is exactly what will happen with anarchy ( or your version of it anyways)
You could liken this to gang portection and shop keepers where some places shopkeepers pay gangs for protection (read: Leave them alone) They don't have a choice. If they refuse to pay their shop goes kaboom or something along similar lines. This is exactly what will happen with anarchy ( or your version of it anyways)
Communism isn't a very nice system either. I'm actually reading the manifesto right now and its rubbish.
I don't know how anarchy would work. You don't know how it would work either, as your suggestion is only theorized as well.
I'm not an anarchist, first of all. I'm just merely arguing that side. In fact this time last year I was probably one of the biggest lefties here. I'd say I'm right wing when it comes to economics but left wing when it comes to moral issues (like gay marriages, etc.) Some of my beliefs do correspond to anarchist beliefs, but I still believe that government can be morphed into something that can work for us instead of against us.
I don't know how anarchy would work. You don't know how it would work either, as your suggestion is only theorized as well.
I'm not an anarchist, first of all. I'm just merely arguing that side. In fact this time last year I was probably one of the biggest lefties here. I'd say I'm right wing when it comes to economics but left wing when it comes to moral issues (like gay marriages, etc.) Some of my beliefs do correspond to anarchist beliefs, but I still believe that government can be morphed into something that can work for us instead of against us.
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
Korzic said exactly what i was trying to.
I'm no communist either, i believe in a lot of things, but realize that they won't happen in my life time. As it stands i'm for democratic socialism, much like the NDP.
Like Korzic said both Socialism and Anarchy can look great on paper but neither work in reality.
But i wa strying to say that Socialism matches our basic instincts better then anarchism.
I'm no communist either, i believe in a lot of things, but realize that they won't happen in my life time. As it stands i'm for democratic socialism, much like the NDP.
Like Korzic said both Socialism and Anarchy can look great on paper but neither work in reality.
But i wa strying to say that Socialism matches our basic instincts better then anarchism.
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
J-Neli wrote:Got to disagree with you there Reno. There is no way the US would be able to make up the amount lost in taxes through bonds. That's trillions of dollars we're talking here, and the US would owe a large favour to every and any country who helped then out of this jam. The US would not want that just to be able to make a few bombs. At least any smart country wouldn't.
Protest doesn't work, but revolt does. Look at what is going on in the Ukraine right now. People are demonstrating and holding strikes. That is what any country needs to cause change. It's far more easier to accomplish as well than a political movement dependant on a democratic system.
that's where your wrong. US bonds are are good as gold. anyone would be willing to buy them especially if the interest promised is good. alot of the neo-cons would buy them, alot of corporations will buy them, making this democratic process worse off then it already is. other countries will take them up faster then anyone.
when the country is torn as even as the US is right now, a revolt similar to the one in the Ukraine would cause civil war, and in fact, give that some time and you will see blood shed in the Ukraine. Take power and spread. Raza Unidas did that, but they acted too fast. if you take it slowly and move from local elections into state elections to eventually national elections, it will be much more successful. (that and you need a cause that doesn't get accomplished to early)
Whenever death may surprise us,
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
J-Neli wrote:I don't know how anarchy would work. You don't know how it would work either, as your suggestion is only theorized as well.
You only have to go back in history to figure out how it worked. When we all started off as little tribes in the wilderness. And one tribe beat up another one and amalgamated it and so on and so forth till finally one group was powerful enough to rule all others. And hecne our current system today. Anarchy is still present today in a lot of African nations full of civil war.
I'm not an anarchist, first of all. I'm just merely arguing that side. In fact this time last year I was probably one of the biggest lefties here. I'd say I'm right wing when it comes to economics but left wing when it comes to moral issues (like gay marriages, etc.) Some of my beliefs do correspond to anarchist beliefs, but I still believe that government can be morphed into something that can work for us instead of against us.
The government is only working against you if you didn't vote for them.
That is why you voted against them right?