Bush Wins
If you want to break it down to the simplest form , then yes I suppose you can say that they are somewhat similar. But in doing so, you over look 2 core things that differ between them both. 1st is religion. Bush isn't doing this because he believes that his religion has called him to exterminate muslims. And 2nd. 2nd Bush has never gone out of his way to specifically target innocent civilians. It's not like he goes along and says OOOO PLANE FULL OF PEOPLE WITH SOMEONE WHO MAY BE A TERRORIST!!! LETS BLOW IT OUT OF THE SKY. Osama has never had any such qualms and will continue to blow things up TARGETTING the civilians. Bush does not.
he targets civillians because he believes that they are the ones responsible for the bombs. They're the ones funding the weapons so they are just as responsible in his opinion.
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
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mosaik wrote:Narbus anarchist philosophy does not include rules. what you are saying is not my argument at all and has never been my argument.
Well, first off, "No rules" is, technically, a rule. As would be "No initiation of force." So there's that.
Second, you are calling for the abolition of all government, as the very existance of government is unethical to you.
In the same way, Bush calls for the application of the death penalty, restrictions on homosexual rights, etc all based on what he feels is ethical.
From now on I'm not going to rebutt you when you put words in my mouth. Please stick to the stuff i actually believe instead of using my combative nature to make me argue points you can win.
Actually, I took the words out of your mouth. You say that Bush wants everyone to live according to what he thinks is right. Well so do you.
My point about Bush = Osama is not that they are physically the same person.
It's that they do the same things. Osama blows up innocents, so does bush. Osama hurts his supporters, so does Bush. Osama's people follow him out of blind faith, so do Bush's. Etc, etc.
If you would like to contest that point, do so.
I turn you to Korzic's post. Having several things in common does not mean they have everything in common. You discuss your views on government publicly. So does Bush. You both take steps to make reality more closely resemble your views, you both express unhappiness with those who don't agree with you, you're clearly the same as Bush.
See, my biggest problem with your arguement, when all is said and done, is that there's SO MANY reasons to not like Bush that you really don't need to be making up more. In fact, by making up reasons like this, you're allowing your opposition to grab control of the discussion and basically ignore the myriad of legitimate reasons out there to hate the idiot. There's the 800 FUCKING BILLION DOLLAR increase on the national debt limit that just passed. There's his refusual to do press conferences. There's all the different ways he's set himself up to not actually have to hear any dissent from the public. There's the lies about the war, the lies to cover up those lies, and the condescending weasel tone of voice he takes when he's out of options, as if to suggest that you're retarded for even thinking the issue matters.
But now, we're stuck arguing whether or not he's a wanted Muslim who lives in a cave in the middle East (hint: he's not).
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J-Neli wrote:he targets civillians because he believes that they are the ones responsible for the bombs. They're the ones funding the weapons so they are just as responsible in his opinion.
No he targets civilians because he can't target the leadership. Civilaisn are nice soft targets. If he can instill a sense of fear into them so that they do something rash like rise up against the government then he is happy.
I have to disagree with you there. The people who fund the bombs are no better than the government that uses them.
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
J-Neli wrote:I have to disagree with you there. The people who fund the bombs are no better than the government that uses them.
That's horseshit! Who funds the bombs? The taxpayer. Not everyone is a supporter of what Bush does (obviously) but their taxes still go into those projects. You're accusing the entire American population of being no better than Bush (who in some people's eyes is no better than Osama) That's not going to sit too well with some
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Korzic wrote:J-Neli wrote:I have to disagree with you there. The people who fund the bombs are no better than the government that uses them.
That's horseshit! Who funds the bombs? The taxpayer. Not everyone is a supporter of what Bush does (obviously) but their taxes still go into those projects. You're accusing the entire American population of being no better than Bush (who in some people's eyes is no better than Osama) That's not going to sit too well with some
Hey, it's rational to say that someone who gives someone money to buy a bomb is just as responible. In the eyes of Osama, the people who pay the taxes are just as bad as Bush himself.
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
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Can a government seriously throw half the country in jail, if they refused to pay their taxes because of the war?
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
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It would send a message to the feds though that they want their money spent on things that are worth it. If everybody who was against the war refrained from paying taxes, and the USA decided to freeze all corresponding bank accounts, the US economy will go into the shitter.
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
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Korzic wrote:Do you honestly think that is a practical or viable solution? It would never be taken up. Starting up a campaign to break federal law may also be illegal.
Well by all means, if the American government wanted to put every American citizen who participated in jail, let them. If you want a perfect example of how this would cause havoc just look at a couple of the Berkely demonstrations in the 60's. The students forced the administration to penalize each and every student involved and the administration simply could not keep up. The same thing would happen in this situation. All it takes is people to realize the power they have.
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
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Joe Cool wrote:Cracky wrote:Half of America is as bad as Bush though.
Its the poor dems who get the brunt of bad messages.
*hugs all the dems*
What do you mean by "bad messages." If your saying that the democrats are somehow patronized more than the repbulicans, your mistaken.
They aren't, but at the same time when people are spouting off about hating America/Americans, because of BUSH, they should realize that a little under half the country DID NOT want him in.
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J-Neli wrote:Korzic wrote:Do you honestly think that is a practical or viable solution? It would never be taken up. Starting up a campaign to break federal law may also be illegal.
Well by all means, if the American government wanted to put every American citizen who participated in jail, let them. If you want a perfect example of how this would cause havoc just look at a couple of the Berkely demonstrations in the 60's. The students forced the administration to penalize each and every student involved and the administration simply could not keep up. The same thing would happen in this situation. All it takes is people to realize the power they have.
as a convicted felon they'd remove the people's right to vote, essentially leaving all the right wingers the only opportunity to vote. if you want change you take the power away from those you want change from. that means run for office. you'll be surprised how efficient the scare of losing power to someone else changes policy.
Whenever death may surprise us,
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
So they take the vote away, so what? they can just do it all over again, and the US government's tax base will be cut in half, if not more. What can the US government do with only half of their normal budget, especially considering the fact they have trouble even staying within the budget they curently have.
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
J-Neli wrote:So they take the vote away, so what? they can just do it all over again, and the US government's tax base will be cut in half, if not more. What can the US government do with only half of their normal budget, especially considering the fact they have trouble even staying within the budget they curently have.
Refuse you any kind of service you need. Cut off your electricity/water. There's a whole bunch of things that won't make your life any easier on the flip side of this whole saga.