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Honestly, I'm sick of hearing about this. The media has over done it so much that I just don't care anymore. Yes, lots of people died. It was horrible. WE GET IT! Stop shoving it down our throats already! We got it the first FIVE MONTHS that it was all we ever heard about.
Yes, this time is hard for the families of those who passed. Let them grieve in peace. If someone I loved died that day, I wouldn't want to have to hear about it for a week around the anniversary of that day.
More innocent people have been killed by the retalliation (I don't know the stats, so I don't know if more were killed there than here, but I know that lots of innocents were killed there [I mean more as in on top of the innocents killed here {just trying to avoid pointless debates about misinterpretation}]). Why aren't we mourning for them? Oh right, they're not American. I forgot that people in other countries don't matter.
Don't mind me. I'm bitter.
Yes, this time is hard for the families of those who passed. Let them grieve in peace. If someone I loved died that day, I wouldn't want to have to hear about it for a week around the anniversary of that day.
More innocent people have been killed by the retalliation (I don't know the stats, so I don't know if more were killed there than here, but I know that lots of innocents were killed there [I mean more as in on top of the innocents killed here {just trying to avoid pointless debates about misinterpretation}]). Why aren't we mourning for them? Oh right, they're not American. I forgot that people in other countries don't matter.
Don't mind me. I'm bitter.
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Agreed 

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Guy: Her locker's down the hall, I've counted 17 from mine.
Girl: Does he see me? Does he even know that I'm close by?
Guy: We're in the hallway, always at half past nine.
Girl: Would he ever get to know me? Would he take the time?
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Guy: Her locker's down the hall, I've counted 17 from mine.
Girl: Does he see me? Does he even know that I'm close by?
Guy: We're in the hallway, always at half past nine.
Girl: Would he ever get to know me? Would he take the time?
[glow=brown]...Back in school they never taught us what we needed to know like how to deal with despair or someone breaking your heart...[/glow]
Last year this girl in leadership decided to run some sorta half assed fund raiser or something for the victims, and when she asked me if i was going to support the cause, i basically gave her a rundown on how this wasnt the worst thing that has ever happened in the world, not even close to it, and that enough time has been focused on this one event to make me sick. i also might half mentioned something about there already being way too much money for the victims families, and why not actually raise money for someone who could actually use it...i basically told her off and she kinda stared at me shocked that i wasnt so proud of her for helping such a wonderful cause before she went off to someone else to try and get money. 

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I'm disappointed that so many people are posting such negative things in here. This should be a thread where we remember the thousands of people who died two years ago, not act like it was no big deal, just because the American government is corrupt. Yeah, no crap. That doesn't change the fact that these normal people, just going through their everyday lives, had many many people who loved them and will spend 9/11 mourning for years and years to come.
Maybe I'm biased cos it hit closer to home for me than for some of the others posting in here. My uncle goes to NYC weekly for his job, and his train let off underneath the WTC, so that day, I was scared to death that I'd never see him again. Luckily, it turned out not to be his day in New York. A girl whom I've known and been friends with almost my entire life, who lives just a few houses across the street from me, was living in apartments right next to the buildings, and was one of the many many people who were forced to run through the streets of New York for her life. Luckily for me, nobody I know personally was killed. That's not the case with thousands upon thousands of people, though.
Don't make this about the government, or even other people who've died in other countries, or even the US. It's not about that. It's about the 2,800 people's lives that were cut short when some planes hit some buildings.
God, I seriously can't believe the negativity in here. It's appalling.
Maybe I'm biased cos it hit closer to home for me than for some of the others posting in here. My uncle goes to NYC weekly for his job, and his train let off underneath the WTC, so that day, I was scared to death that I'd never see him again. Luckily, it turned out not to be his day in New York. A girl whom I've known and been friends with almost my entire life, who lives just a few houses across the street from me, was living in apartments right next to the buildings, and was one of the many many people who were forced to run through the streets of New York for her life. Luckily for me, nobody I know personally was killed. That's not the case with thousands upon thousands of people, though.
Don't make this about the government, or even other people who've died in other countries, or even the US. It's not about that. It's about the 2,800 people's lives that were cut short when some planes hit some buildings.
God, I seriously can't believe the negativity in here. It's appalling.
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<font color="#3C8C8B">Imagine there's no heaven, it's easy if you try, no hell below us,
above us only sky, imagine all the people, <font color="#FFFFFF">living</font> for today...</font>
<font color="#50B4B3">Imagine there's no countries, it isn't hard to do, nothing to kill or die
for, no religion too, imagine all the people, living <font color="#FFFFFF">life</font> in peace...</font>
<font color="#89CDCC">Imagine no possesions, I wonder if you can, no need for greed or <font color="#FFFFFF">hunger</font>,
a brotherhood of man, imagine all the people, sharing all the <font color="#FFFFFF">world</font>...</font>
<font color="#B1DFDE">You may say I'm a <font color="#FFFFFF">dreamer</font>, but I'm not the only one, I hope
some day you'll join us, and the world will <font color="#FFFFFF">live</font> as one.</font></center></font>
Well said Nikki,
Bringing up a topic like "Remember Hiroshima" is absurd. You know, some people do remember Hiroshima...more than what many (of you) have read in books. It was an atrocity to say the least, but how many can tell me a story about the Japanese occupation of Taiwan? Or tell me about the way the Japanese were trying to wipe out the Taiwanese culture? My dad can...so yes, there are AMERICANS who remember.
The US government sucks to say the least. But don't bag on us as a country for remembering those that were lost. When we remember 9/11, we remember not only those who died that day, we also remember those who have died since then...on both sides...
Bringing up a topic like "Remember Hiroshima" is absurd. You know, some people do remember Hiroshima...more than what many (of you) have read in books. It was an atrocity to say the least, but how many can tell me a story about the Japanese occupation of Taiwan? Or tell me about the way the Japanese were trying to wipe out the Taiwanese culture? My dad can...so yes, there are AMERICANS who remember.
The US government sucks to say the least. But don't bag on us as a country for remembering those that were lost. When we remember 9/11, we remember not only those who died that day, we also remember those who have died since then...on both sides...
Rufus Wainwright wrote:Nowadays, we ignore the fact that we dropped bombs on Japan, even though they offered their surrender days before we went in and dropped them, but that doesn't matter.
not true at all, in fact they speed up production of a 6 propeller plane that would have flown all the way to the states and dropped it's payload. infact the Japanese themselves used bioweapons containing the black plague on China, that they tested it in Chinese cities, and captured American and British troops. They also looked into nuclear weaponry as well, only to come to the conclusion that it wasn't cost productive enough. we forgot/ignore that today.
Whenever death may surprise us,
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
nikki4982 wrote:I'm disappointed that so many people are posting such negative things in here. This should be a thread where we remember the thousands of people who died two years ago, not act like it was no big deal, just because the American government is corrupt. Yeah, no crap. That doesn't change the fact that these normal people, just going through their everyday lives, had many many people who loved them and will spend 9/11 mourning for years and years to come.
Maybe I'm biased cos it hit closer to home for me than for some of the others posting in here. My uncle goes to NYC weekly for his job, and his train let off underneath the WTC, so that day, I was scared to death that I'd never see him again. Luckily, it turned out not to be his day in New York. A girl whom I've known and been friends with almost my entire life, who lives just a few houses across the street from me, was living in apartments right next to the buildings, and was one of the many many people who were forced to run through the streets of New York for her life. Luckily for me, nobody I know personally was killed. That's not the case with thousands upon thousands of people, though.
Don't make this about the government, or even other people who've died in other countries, or even the US. It's not about that. It's about the 2,800 people's lives that were cut short when some planes hit some buildings.
God, I seriously can't believe the negativity in here. It's appalling.
I couldn't freakin agree more.......the 2nd anniversary is still a day of mourning for hundreds of thousands all over the U.S., North American, and the World. Whether you have relatives who perished in the attack or not, it still effects all of us.
I don't know a single person, directly or indirectly (in my life) who lost somebody in the attack. Yet I still mourn those who lost their lives not knowing what was going on around them.......and also the people that tried to help but it just wasn't enough.
I for one.....still find myself drawn to media coverage about the events of that day. From appx. 10am that day (of course was let out of my am class that day early) I popped in VHS tape after VHS tape, and recorded twelve hours worth of coverage that day.
Historically, this is the single worst event to his U.S. soil......and yet people still bitch about it, say "arrgh I'm so sick and tired of hearing about it" yadda yadda yadda.
You think the events of that day will just vanish??? Get real. It's rediculous to think that people in this country have minds so damn shallow that they don't give a single thread of respest for what happened. As we sit here, and ramble on and on about this........there are people in NYC as we sit and waste away time, that are still sobbing and crying about the loved ones they lost.....and how they were touched by the events not only in NYC, but of course in D.C. and in Shanksville PA as well.
I, for one, made damn sure I was out of bed to at least recognize the moments of silence, even though its impossible for me and my fiance to travel to NYC and experience the true memorial, we can still show our respect for the events that happened that day.
Hatred is gained as much by good works as by evil. - Niccoló Machiavelli
Many say that the actions of the americans in guatamo bay are as bad as those of hitler's nazis against the jewish. Does it matter if the Japanese were awful to the Chinese? Does that make the innocent in Hiroshima any less innocent? Are they somehow accountable for the crimes of their soldiers?
The bomb was the worst act of terrorism, ever. Period. It doesn’t matter that there was a war going on. Innocent people, tens of thousands of them, were killed. That’s terrorism. If Osama & Co thought they were at war with the USA, are their actions of 9/11 somehow justified?
9-11 was a tragedy. I remember how I felt on that day – I was really into the whole “we are all Americans” vibe. I wrote an essay in my English class about how I wanted to get all the terrorists responsible and blow them up. I was pissed off. But that was nothing compared to how I felt when the war in iraq started. If Americans want me to still feel sympathetic over 9/11, then I say get the fuck out of iraq first. I won’t tolerate the hypocrisy otherwise.
The bomb was the worst act of terrorism, ever. Period. It doesn’t matter that there was a war going on. Innocent people, tens of thousands of them, were killed. That’s terrorism. If Osama & Co thought they were at war with the USA, are their actions of 9/11 somehow justified?
9-11 was a tragedy. I remember how I felt on that day – I was really into the whole “we are all Americans” vibe. I wrote an essay in my English class about how I wanted to get all the terrorists responsible and blow them up. I was pissed off. But that was nothing compared to how I felt when the war in iraq started. If Americans want me to still feel sympathetic over 9/11, then I say get the fuck out of iraq first. I won’t tolerate the hypocrisy otherwise.
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Wow. That wasn't the tone I was expecting when I opened this topic up, but I'm actually pleased by your refusal to toe the party line.
I agree that the attack on the Towers was tragic, but not because they were Americans, but because they were humans. If certain war torn, third-world countries ground to a halt every time 2,500+ of their civilians vanished into a ball of flame and collapsing masonry, they'd never get done mourning. And I'm not sure, but I don't know that a commemerative chartity rock concert was held for the thousands that were carpet bombed in Cambodia back during 'Nam. Just not sexy enough, I guess.
Not only that, it must be remembered who originally funded all of our tawny-skinned, current-day boogeymen, no?
I agree that the attack on the Towers was tragic, but not because they were Americans, but because they were humans. If certain war torn, third-world countries ground to a halt every time 2,500+ of their civilians vanished into a ball of flame and collapsing masonry, they'd never get done mourning. And I'm not sure, but I don't know that a commemerative chartity rock concert was held for the thousands that were carpet bombed in Cambodia back during 'Nam. Just not sexy enough, I guess.
Not only that, it must be remembered who originally funded all of our tawny-skinned, current-day boogeymen, no?
I don't know/
but I believe/
in yesterday/
and what it means to bleed/
and know that you're okay/
--(Mafia) Right Behind You, R. Maida
but I believe/
in yesterday/
and what it means to bleed/
and know that you're okay/
--(Mafia) Right Behind You, R. Maida
If certain war torn, third-world countries ground to a halt every time 2,500+ of their civilians vanished into a ball of flame and collapsing masonry, they'd never get done mourning.
I don't see anyone grinding to a halt. Just news coverage and moments of silence. Everyone 'round here is still doing stuff the way they do it every day.
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Everyone is fascinated by a train wreck so its no surprise that there is so much media coverage.
But I think the point a lot of people are trying to make is that if Americans are going to wage war, don't expect people not to wage war against Americans. Don't think that since you live in a 1st world nation insted of a 3rd that nothing will happen.
The only thing that really erks me is those people that actually have something to mourn today and did loose a friend or family member - yet they are supporting the war that is doing the identical thing to another country.
But I think the point a lot of people are trying to make is that if Americans are going to wage war, don't expect people not to wage war against Americans. Don't think that since you live in a 1st world nation insted of a 3rd that nothing will happen.
The only thing that really erks me is those people that actually have something to mourn today and did loose a friend or family member - yet they are supporting the war that is doing the identical thing to another country.
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Goodbye you liar,
Well you sipped from the cup but you don't own up to anything
Then you think you will inspire
Take apart your head
(and I wish I could inspire)
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Goodbye you liar,
Well you sipped from the cup but you don't own up to anything
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Take apart your head
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I don't see anyone grinding to a halt. Just news coverage and moments of silence. Everyone 'round here is still doing stuff the way they do it every day.
Well, you know what I mean.
I don't know/
but I believe/
in yesterday/
and what it means to bleed/
and know that you're okay/
--(Mafia) Right Behind You, R. Maida
but I believe/
in yesterday/
and what it means to bleed/
and know that you're okay/
--(Mafia) Right Behind You, R. Maida
it's not so much that the aneversary of this event that pisses me off, as much as it is every other day. every other day it's remember september 11, rembmer 9-11, ever since the world trade center, ever since 9-11, terrorism, Osama, Al Queda, and everything else is just too much. Geroge Bush make a reference to it at every single speech. this day itself should be mourned at this day, but nothing more. for the rest of the 364 and 1/4 days left i don't want to hear it. you notice that Pearl Harbor day isn't so nicely packaged, it's not talked about all year long, but we remember it on the day itself nontheless. that's what needs to happen with this day.
Whenever death may surprise us,
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
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nikki4982 wrote:I'm disappointed that so many people are posting such negative things in here. This should be a thread where we remember the thousands of people who died two years ago, not act like it was no big deal, just because the American government is corrupt. Yeah, no crap. That doesn't change the fact that these normal people, just going through their everyday lives, had many many people who loved them and will spend 9/11 mourning for years and years to come.
Maybe I'm biased cos it hit closer to home for me than for some of the others posting in here. My uncle goes to NYC weekly for his job, and his train let off underneath the WTC, so that day, I was scared to death that I'd never see him again. Luckily, it turned out not to be his day in New York. A girl whom I've known and been friends with almost my entire life, who lives just a few houses across the street from me, was living in apartments right next to the buildings, and was one of the many many people who were forced to run through the streets of New York for her life. Luckily for me, nobody I know personally was killed. That's not the case with thousands upon thousands of people, though.
Don't make this about the government, or even other people who've died in other countries, or even the US. It's not about that. It's about the 2,800 people's lives that were cut short when some planes hit some buildings.
God, I seriously can't believe the negativity in here. It's appalling.
Even though I'm probably the 50th person to say this Nikki, I couldn't agree with you more. I really do find it absurb that some people on this board are ignorant enough to say who cares? Peoples lives were lost that day, and yes maybe we moirn about it alot- but this is one of the first times terrorism has hit so close to home. We never really paid attention to Americans being killed by terrorism before because it was never actually Americans dying in America- the place that you are SUPPOSED to feel safe. There's no problem with mourning about it- it's all about the grieving process. Who knows? It could be another 5 years and it will still be on everyone's mind. There is not one day that goes by where I don't think about the innocent people killed in those attacks. And before everyone else gets mad, yes, I feel awful for the innocent people killed in Iraq and Afghanistan- it's not right. I was against war. Every innocent person, whether black or white, american or iraqi, whoever, should be mourned- not just Americans. It just made me so mad that some of the posts said "get over it". C'mon now... that's ignorant.
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Nikki, I couldn't agree with you more too. Today in History class we watched a documentary movie on 9/11, with a film students footage of the day. It brought me to tears because it was so disturbing. And this is my question to all of you who decide to pretend like this day was 'no big deal'.......if you were one of the thousands of people who went to work that day and perished in the attack, how would you feel if you knew some ignorant people were saying it was no big deal. What if someone close to you died? I think your opinion of 9/11 would be MUCH different. One of my best friends lost her cousin on 9/11, and I am sure that she would be appalled if she saw some of the negative comments people were writing......
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Guy: Her locker's down the hall, I've counted 17 from mine.
Girl: Does he see me? Does he even know that I'm close by?
Guy: We're in the hallway, always at half past nine.
Girl: Would he ever get to know me? Would he take the time?
[glow=brown]...Back in school they never taught us what we needed to know like how to deal with despair or someone breaking your heart...[/glow]
Guy: Her locker's down the hall, I've counted 17 from mine.
Girl: Does he see me? Does he even know that I'm close by?
Guy: We're in the hallway, always at half past nine.
Girl: Would he ever get to know me? Would he take the time?
[glow=brown]...Back in school they never taught us what we needed to know like how to deal with despair or someone breaking your heart...[/glow]
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Actually the sick thing is, the war on Iraq was started because of suspected weapons of mass destruction right?
did anyone notice that on Bush's last speech that wasnt even mentioned?
did anyone notice that on Bush's last speech that wasnt even mentioned?
-Sarah
Goodbye you liar,
Well you sipped from the cup but you don't own up to anything
Then you think you will inspire
Take apart your head
(and I wish I could inspire)
Take apart your demons, then you add it to the list.
Goodbye you liar,
Well you sipped from the cup but you don't own up to anything
Then you think you will inspire
Take apart your head
(and I wish I could inspire)
Take apart your demons, then you add it to the list.