Next Album Will Be The Most Important One... EVER

theirflowers11 · Post by **theirflowers11** » 9/6/2003, 8:19 pm

heyhey., wow, soo many thoughts on this subject its crazy. i totally love the new stuff. i like the vibe it has and i think it sounds reallly good. it is way different, but i like. i like everything on gravity except made of steel. live i think it sounds as good as everything they've done. if they would just play everything live, instead of just hits pretty much, i would be 100% happy with the band. playing stuff like stealing babies regularly, wonderful future, stuff like that. oh well, we will just have to wait and see when the cd comes out and they tour again how they will turn out.

closeyoureyes · Post by **closeyoureyes** » 9/7/2003, 11:14 am

Baby Thief wrote:I think Jeremy is one of the best drummers ever. I find him just as important as Raine... however, OLP would still go on if Jer left, not if raine left.

btw - i'm not too good with the whole band member change, but when did jeremy join? Before Naveed?

jere joined when they were like..recording naveed..the original drummer was Jim Newwel

closeyoureyes · Post by **closeyoureyes** » 9/7/2003, 11:17 am

robcore wrote:How can Gravity be evolution? Raine sounds like a love sick puppy the whole time. Most of us got through that phase in grade 8. If this new cd revolves around wtsoyf, i'm just giving up on the band and moving back to matt good (who actually HAS evolved from crap).

yeah...that chantal is havin a bad influence on him!:lol: jk! i doubt i`de ever leave OLP though..im a wayy bigger fan of OLP than i ever was of MGB, and if olp ever breaks up, i`ll listen to older bands

SpiritualJunkie · Post by **SpiritualJunkie** » 9/7/2003, 3:02 pm

Rufus Wainwright wrote:Dungeonous Rob is right. No one forced OLP to make Gravity. OLP said that was the direction they wanted to take with Gravity, and it's mainstream crap. So really, OLP should listen to their fans that say things like "falsetto is good" and "irratic drums are better than simple beats" instead of producing what to do now. I don't know, I just wish OLP would rock out again.

Who are we to tell OLP what to do and how to make their music? They're their own band and they are responsible for writing and playing stuff that they want. If no one likes it or understands, so be it.

I'm sure OLP does care about their fans...they tour non-stop, make album after album without taking much of a break, etc. but they aren't going to try and please everyone. If the music that so-called "true" OLP fans hate so much is what OLP really wants to make, they can do so. The reality is, there are people who hate the new direction OLP has taken, other people who still love OLP like nothing has changed, and still...people who could care less or have thought they were absolute crap since Day 1.

Unless OLP starts agreeing to do McDonald's commercials, or making pure crap like Britney Spears or N'Sync...I won't overanalyze and say they've sold out or claim they can't make good music again.

OLP is one of the few bright spots left in this corrupt music business and I'm not going to start putting them down when there are a lot more people out there I could be doing that to. :roll:

Random Name · Post by **Random Name** » 9/7/2003, 5:57 pm

robcore wrote:How can Gravity be evolution? Raine sounds like a love sick puppy the whole time.

Am I the only person that doesnt see a happy loving relationship when you listen to gravity?

I mean I am no person to judge, but the relationship songs on it arn't exactally ideal. Most of them sound like appoligies! (Do you Like it, BBtS, Sell my Soul...) So how can you say they are all love songs? Maybe I am looking into these things too much, but none of the Gravity songs scream happiness to me.

Henrietta · Post by **Henrietta** » 9/7/2003, 6:55 pm

I agree w/ ya. None of olp's songs really sound like love sick puppy songs...to me anyhow. SOT there maybe.

SpiritualJunkie · Post by **SpiritualJunkie** » 9/7/2003, 7:03 pm

Random Name wrote:
robcore wrote:How can Gravity be evolution? Raine sounds like a love sick puppy the whole time.

Am I the only person that doesnt see a happy loving relationship when you listen to gravity?

I mean I am no person to judge, but the relationship songs on it arn't exactally ideal. Most of them sound like appoligies! (Do you Like it, BBtS, Sell my Soul...) So how can you say they are all love songs? Maybe I am looking into these things too much, but none of the Gravity songs scream happiness to me.

No, you're not the only one. Some of these songs aren't about a romantic or love relationship at all.

All For You - I'm taking it this is mostly about his father and how much he hated the way he was treated by him.

Do You Like It? - Might be about love but it could be about anyone in control...whether it's your boss, your parents, your friend, a bully, etc.

Somewhere Out There - This is the first song that screams about a romantic type of relationship. It's about yearning for the things that are already lost.

Innocent - This song isn't about love either. I think it's a generalization about how everyone starts out innocent and at one point in their lives, they lose it and become what you'd call hard.

Made of Steel - I see this song being between friends and being there for each other.

Not Enough - Still not quite sure what this is about but it seems like it's about being totally alone and having to depend on yourself to get through life.

Sell My Soul - This is the second real love song on this album...probably about a relationship that has slowly broken down even though the person doesn't want it to.

Sorry - A break-up song but could be about something else as well...

Bring Back the Sun - Yet another relationship song dealing with getting through differences and finding forgiveness

Story About a Girl - Could be a song about your lover or something totally different...

Gravity is mainly about one thing: relationships. However, it's not directly pointed at only romantic type situations.

closeyoureyes · Post by **closeyoureyes** » 9/7/2003, 7:03 pm

SpiritualJunkie wrote:
Who are we to tell OLP what to do and how to make their music? They're their own band and they are responsible for writing and playing stuff that they want. If no one likes it or understands, so be it.

I'm sure OLP does care about their fans...they tour non-stop, make album after album without taking much of a break, etc. but they aren't going to try and please everyone. If the music that so-called "true" OLP fans hate so much is what OLP really wants to make, they can do so. The reality is, there are people who hate the new direction OLP has taken, other people who still love OLP like nothing has changed, and still...people who could care less or have thought they were absolute crap since Day 1.

Unless OLP starts agreeing to do McDonald's commercials, or making pure crap like Britney Spears or N'Sync...I won't overanalyze and say they've sold out or claim they can't make good music again.

OLP is one of the few bright spots left in this corrupt music business and I'm not going to start putting them down when there a lot more people out there I could be doing that to.

well said. :nod:

robcore · Post by **robcore** » 9/7/2003, 7:48 pm

SpiritualJunkie wrote:
Random Name wrote:
robcore wrote:How can Gravity be evolution? Raine sounds like a love sick puppy the whole time.

Am I the only person that doesnt see a happy loving relationship when you listen to gravity?

I mean I am no person to judge, but the relationship songs on it arn't exactally ideal. Most of them sound like appoligies! (Do you Like it, BBtS, Sell my Soul...) So how can you say they are all love songs? Maybe I am looking into these things too much, but none of the Gravity songs scream happiness to me.

No, you're not the only one. Some of these songs aren't about a romantic or love relationship at all.

All For You - I'm taking it this is mostly about his father and how much he hated the way he was treated by him.

Do You Like It? - Might be about love but it could be about anyone in control...whether it's your boss, your parents, your friend, a bully, etc.

Somewhere Out There - This is the first song that screams about a romantic type of relationship. It's about yearning for the things that are already lost.

Innocent - This song isn't about love either. I think it's a generalization about how everyone starts out innocent and at one point in their lives, they lose it and become what you'd call hard.

Made of Steel - I see this song being between friends and being there for each other.

Not Enough - Still not quite sure what this is about but it seems like it's about being totally alone and having to depend on yourself to get through life.

Sell My Soul - This is the second real love song on this album...probably about a relationship that has slowly broken down even though the person doesn't want it to.

Sorry - A break-up song but could be about something else as well...

Bring Back the Sun - Yet another relationship song dealing with getting through differences and finding forgiveness

Story About a Girl - Could be a song about your lover or something totally different...

Gravity is mainly about one thing: relationships. However, it's not directly pointed at only romantic type situations.

If that didn't just prove to you how lame the meanings of the songs are on Gravity, i don't know what will. Please listen to happiness tonight and tell me which one you think is better.

Ps. Alan, i love your nickname for me. :lol:

areusad831 · Post by **areusad831** » 9/7/2003, 8:28 pm

love is the best thing to write music about you just have to do it well and they really didnt do it well.

whoever said the music industry is corrupt, turn of your radio and ask some friends for bands there hundreds of amazing bands who sell their CD's for $10 and sell tickets to their shows for under $10. you just cant depend on mass media for music. The music industry is so much bigger today then ever before.

closeyoureyes · Post by **closeyoureyes** » 9/7/2003, 10:33 pm

robcore wrote:
SpiritualJunkie wrote:
Random Name wrote:
robcore wrote:How can Gravity be evolution? Raine sounds like a love sick puppy the whole time.

Am I the only person that doesnt see a happy loving relationship when you listen to gravity?

I mean I am no person to judge, but the relationship songs on it arn't exactally ideal. Most of them sound like appoligies! (Do you Like it, BBtS, Sell my Soul...) So how can you say they are all love songs? Maybe I am looking into these things too much, but none of the Gravity songs scream happiness to me.

No, you're not the only one. Some of these songs aren't about a romantic or love relationship at all.

All For You - I'm taking it this is mostly about his father and how much he hated the way he was treated by him.

Do You Like It? - Might be about love but it could be about anyone in control...whether it's your boss, your parents, your friend, a bully, etc.

Somewhere Out There - This is the first song that screams about a romantic type of relationship. It's about yearning for the things that are already lost.

Innocent - This song isn't about love either. I think it's a generalization about how everyone starts out innocent and at one point in their lives, they lose it and become what you'd call hard.

Made of Steel - I see this song being between friends and being there for each other.

Not Enough - Still not quite sure what this is about but it seems like it's about being totally alone and having to depend on yourself to get through life.

Sell My Soul - This is the second real love song on this album...probably about a relationship that has slowly broken down even though the person doesn't want it to.

Sorry - A break-up song but could be about something else as well...

Bring Back the Sun - Yet another relationship song dealing with getting through differences and finding forgiveness

Story About a Girl - Could be a song about your lover or something totally different...

Gravity is mainly about one thing: relationships. However, it's not directly pointed at only romantic type situations.

If that didn't just prove to you how lame the meanings of the songs are on Gravity, i don't know what will. Please listen to happiness tonight and tell me which one you think is better.

Ps. Alan, i love your nickname for me.

so true. all the other olp songs werent as easy to interperate and post for all the cmers to see... :cry:

robcore · Post by **robcore** » 9/7/2003, 11:15 pm

areusad831 wrote:love is the best thing to write music about you just have to do it well and they really didnt do it well.

whoever said the music industry is corrupt, turn of your radio and ask some friends for bands there hundreds of amazing bands who sell their CD's for $10 and sell tickets to their shows for under $10. you just cant depend on mass media for music. The music industry is so much bigger today then ever before.

Love is an important topic, but overused in my opinion. All you ever hear about is love and how my baby left me. However, in small doses like on SM, love is a powerful topic. (AYS)

Brooklin Matt · Post by **Brooklin Matt** » 9/7/2003, 11:38 pm

I believe it to be overused like Robcore says because most popular artists, and particularly pop-bands destroy and smart life messages and just speak overwrought cliches......don't really offer much new.........but it is a great topic when someone says it sincerely or with original thought. The topic has be rammed a thousand times by music industry whores...

Gravity seems to be really painted that way but it isn't. Its just the simplicity of the lyrics that give the appearence. I think Raine meant a lot of songs to show other themes.......boy-girl relationship doesn't seem to predominate ........more self-love. (haha)

robcore · Post by **robcore** » 9/7/2003, 11:49 pm

Happiness

Henrietta · Post by **Henrietta** » 9/8/2003, 2:12 pm

Rob, are you going to have to have a SM vs. Happiness war?

robcore · Post by **robcore** » 9/8/2003, 2:55 pm

Nope. Happiness would win, hands down. So that war can't even take place.

SpiritualJunkie · Post by **SpiritualJunkie** » 9/8/2003, 6:09 pm

areusad831 wrote:love is the best thing to write music about you just have to do it well and they really didnt do it well.

whoever said the music industry is corrupt, turn of your radio and ask some friends for bands there hundreds of amazing bands who sell their CD's for $10 and sell tickets to their shows for under $10. you just cant depend on mass media for music. The music industry is so much bigger today then ever before.

Yes, I agree that there is more to music than what the media gives to you but think about it. How many people actually try to look for underground bands/artists? That's why venues are so small. Most people depend on TV and radio to discover new music. Even less would discover indie music if it weren't for the internet. We have people here giving out suggestions and people giving these musicians a try. Without programs like Kazaa, it wouldn't be that easy to just find someone new. Yeah, someone can just go find a local band but these things usually have to be spread by word of mouth. Personally, I don't know a lot of people who know local bands, and if they do, they're supposedly punk and these people I know would be the types to go to their concerts just to look cool and be all "Hey, I listen to punk!" :roll:

Sad, I know but there are people like that.

The music industry might be bigger than what it really seems but you have to think about how most people portray it. It's just like the television and film industry. There are independent films out there but they're not remembered as much as the ones advertised constantly with the big Hollywood stars. Same goes with the music industry. Right now, in our decade...it's people like Britney Spears and Eminem making a mark. In the 60s, it was the Beatles. That's who people remember and it's sad to see that the ones listed above are the ones people will most likely remember for this decade.

Johnny · Post by **Johnny** » 9/8/2003, 6:35 pm

robcore wrote:Nope. Happiness would win, hands down. So that war can't even take place.

What about an Happiness vs S&M war?

robcore · Post by **robcore** » 9/8/2003, 11:05 pm

S & M the album, or the

? In the first case: happiness. In the second case:

Henrietta · Post by **Henrietta** » 9/8/2003, 11:15 pm