Why is everyone so negative about OLP lately?
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senseofurgency
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areusad831 wrote:let people have their own opinion or you can leave. if you can accept others opinions there is no place for you here.
Don't want this to come across the wrong way but I think what Matt is trying to say is he's fed up of seeing the same thing posted over and over. Yes people are and should be entitled to they're own opinon but it just seems to have become the same negative messages over and over by the same people.
the reason why i am losing faith in olp is because the complete lack of effort and creativity going into their music now, It's very basic and common sounding. And that's not the music i like, otherwise i would go out and get american hi-fi or three doors down. And i'm tired of people using this simple is good crap, simple IS good in some cases, but the artistry still has to be there, it has to be simple while still stimulating. Maybe the reason lots of us are so angry lately is because maybe like true fans, we truly loved olp, and thought they were capable of so much more, maybe we were wrong, but i won't settle for a sub-par effort or sub-par music. OLP isn't mettalica or led zep, they're not the strokes either, nor SOAD, dispite what raine might wish, so quit idolizing them and molding yourself after them, they should go out and make a OLP record, and go into that studio and work damn hard for a very long time, steve should give it his all, not stick to basic poppy riff, if they have the best drummer out there for fucks sake don't tell him to play like a drum machine. And for gods sake if you have a talented lyricist with a unique voice don't bring him down to the level of the ignornat masses so they understand. I think raine has just done what he vowed he never would, he's making his band become entertainers, and hit makers, instead of musicians, wich breaks my heart. DOn't getthis the wrong way, it's my faith in the band that has made me so skeptical, i know what tey can do, and gravity is not it. I have faith......just not blind faith
PS i'm hopeful for the new album, and the music seems better so far
PS i'm hopeful for the new album, and the music seems better so far
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
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areusad831
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.MJ. wrote:areusad831 wrote:let people have their own opinion or you can leave. if you can accept others opinions there is no place for you here.
Don't want this to come across the wrong way but I think what Matt is trying to say is he's fed up of seeing the same thing posted over and over. Yes people are and should be entitled to they're own opinon but it just seems to have become the same negative messages over and over by the same people.
the same people? it is many people. so obviously a lot of people feel this way.
old school CM'er 4 Life
*sigh* that's better 
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
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SpiritualJunkie
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jeff is bitchin' wrote:blink182 songs don't all sound the same
The last few have. I remember a year ago or so, I turned on the TV to see a new Blink-182 and I was thinking "This song sounds like another song from them..." I have completely lost track of song titles seeing how I can't tell the difference anymore. But that's just my opinion.
So are "true" fans of OLP Gravity-haters? I LOVE all pre-Gravity albums but I liked Gravity as well. This might sound like I'm bragging but I guess I'm more accepting of any type of music since I was a pop fan long before I liked OLP and I was even into country when I was in junior high. I still like some pop considering it's not complete trash such as Britney Spears or Kelly Clarkson. So when OLP changed their sound to "mainstream", I wasn't totally upset over it. Yeah, I was surprised but I was also amazed at how they could change from different styles and themes without sounding completely horrible like when Nick Carter suddenely started playing guitar.
If they have lost any creativity (maybe they did, maybe they didn't)...I blame it on Bob Rock.
And if I don't make it known that
I've loved you all along
Just like sunny days that
We ignore because
We're all dumb and jaded
And I hope to God I figure out
What's wrong
~4am~
I've loved you all along
Just like sunny days that
We ignore because
We're all dumb and jaded
And I hope to God I figure out
What's wrong
~4am~
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senseofurgency
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yeah, but i think he tries to run bands to much, producers should add to a band not change it
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
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SpiritualJunkie
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People are so quick to blame Raine for the changes in OLP but you guys have to remember that Raine originally wrote more "intellectual" lyrics when he began to write for Gravity. It was brainless Bob who kept pushing him to the point where the lyrics were simple enough to understand and made Raine sick as well.
I still like Gravity but if anyone's to blame for the dramatic simplicity in OLP's lyrics, it's Bob. In a way, I think Raine was brainwashed in thinking that because Metalicca's one album became such a success, simplicity has become the key to making more people fans.
I still like Gravity but if anyone's to blame for the dramatic simplicity in OLP's lyrics, it's Bob. In a way, I think Raine was brainwashed in thinking that because Metalicca's one album became such a success, simplicity has become the key to making more people fans.
And if I don't make it known that
I've loved you all along
Just like sunny days that
We ignore because
We're all dumb and jaded
And I hope to God I figure out
What's wrong
~4am~
I've loved you all along
Just like sunny days that
We ignore because
We're all dumb and jaded
And I hope to God I figure out
What's wrong
~4am~
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senseofurgency
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SpiritualJunkie wrote:People are so quick to blame Raine for the changes in OLP but you guys have to remember that Raine originally wrote more "intellectual" lyrics when he began to write for Gravity. It was brainless Bob who kept pushing him to the point where the lyrics were simple enough to understand and made Raine sick as well.
I still like Gravity but if anyone's to blame for the dramatic simplicity in OLP's lyrics, it's Bob. In a way, I think Raine was brainwashed in thinking that because Metalicca's one album became such a success, simplicity has become the key to making more people fans.
I'm not sure if this was directed at me, I hope I never gave the wrong impression. I never said Raine was to blame, I know the whole story with Rock making Raine rewrite lyrics coz they were to intellectual for what they were aiming to achieve. And I read Raine once saying he didn't like it at first because he thought he was just dumbing down and then he started to notice that the lyrics resembled those of which appeared on U2's Joshua Tree. I might be wrong so correct me if so because i havent heard much of U2's music to judge but is Raine maybe blinded by the fact he's a better lyricist than Bono?
Raine is NOT a better lyricist than Bono.......I'm an OLP junkie but even Raine himself probably knows deep down that Bono is amazing.
I just adore how blame for Gravity is all pushed on Bob Rock......OLP wasn't forced to do their album with him. No, no they weren't.
I just adore how blame for Gravity is all pushed on Bob Rock......OLP wasn't forced to do their album with him. No, no they weren't.
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SpiritualJunkie
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I made that post to everyone. It seems like so many people are blaming OLP for the changes but suddenly everyone forgot about Bob? 
I know that Raine is a big fan of U2, that's about it. I have listened to a lot of music from U2 but never took the time to listen to the lyrics so I'm not someone tp judge the complexity or simplicity of it.
I know that Raine is a big fan of U2, that's about it. I have listened to a lot of music from U2 but never took the time to listen to the lyrics so I'm not someone tp judge the complexity or simplicity of it.And if I don't make it known that
I've loved you all along
Just like sunny days that
We ignore because
We're all dumb and jaded
And I hope to God I figure out
What's wrong
~4am~
I've loved you all along
Just like sunny days that
We ignore because
We're all dumb and jaded
And I hope to God I figure out
What's wrong
~4am~
answer me this: why blame anybody for anything???? If all you people that hated Gravity so much are so great at making up reasons, why aren't u all in the music industry???
Seriously
I have a headache now.......gone on VA-CA and I come back to the 'ol bashing. Guess I didn't miss the CM like i figured I would.
Seriously
I have a headache now.......gone on VA-CA and I come back to the 'ol bashing. Guess I didn't miss the CM like i figured I would.Hatred is gained as much by good works as by evil. - Niccoló Machiavelli
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SpiritualJunkie
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Maybe I'm wrong to put all the blame on Bob. OLP does not consist of little kids. They made their decision on their own. I'm just saying Bob was a great influence on where they ended up. But I agree...I'm sick of blaming people on why this and that happens.
It's time to enjoy the music again.
It's time to enjoy the music again.
And if I don't make it known that
I've loved you all along
Just like sunny days that
We ignore because
We're all dumb and jaded
And I hope to God I figure out
What's wrong
~4am~
I've loved you all along
Just like sunny days that
We ignore because
We're all dumb and jaded
And I hope to God I figure out
What's wrong
~4am~
