OLP's best lyrical song?

Flea21212 · Post by **Flea21212** » 7/16/2003, 2:43 pm

Axtech wrote:How about looking between the lines a little. That's the point.

That's obviously why you think Gravity is so deep and inspiring. It's just the only one simple enough for you to understand.

Or it could mean that the lyrics from the other albums might not have had meaning, but if you look hard enough you finally bring something out of it. Basically you can write down whatever the hell you want and someone... somewhere will think it makes since. I don't buy that.

It's like them saying "clothes are cool when you're dead".. the lyric will make absolutly no since, but someone go annalyze it to the point that they decided that Raine is talking about a kid that is trying to kill themselves.

Ever think just once Raine did that? Wrote something that didn't make since but ryhmed with the line before?

big_green_monkey · Post by **big_green_monkey** » 7/16/2003, 2:47 pm

Flea21212 wrote:
Axtech wrote:How about looking between the lines a little. That's the point.

That's obviously why you think Gravity is so deep and inspiring. It's just the only one simple enough for you to understand.

Or it could mean that the lyrics from the other albums might not have had meaning, but if you look hard enough you finally bring something out of it. Basically you can write down whatever the hell you want and someone... somewhere will think it makes since. I don't buy that.

It's like them saying "clothes are cool when you're dead".. the lyric will make absolutly no since, but someone go annalyze it to the point that they decided that Raine is talking about a kid that is trying to kill themselves.

Ever think just once Raine did that? Wrote something that didn't make since but ryhmed with the line before?

No, because it makes perfect sense once you understand it. Its not as blurry as that is. Do you know what im saying?

big_green_monkey · Post by **big_green_monkey** » 7/16/2003, 2:49 pm

Makaveli wrote:And about Not Afraid, I can't make an educated opinion. I absolutely love the song and am extremely excited about it, but it's rather obvious that Raine babbles the (unfinished) lyrics at the Junos.

I'm going to wait until i hear a finished version.

aren't they playing the finished version live right now?

nelison · Post by **nelison** » 7/16/2003, 2:52 pm

why are you defending Gravity so much?
Does it's lyrics challenge you as much as those on other albums? Or do you just enjoy catchy tunes that everyone can understand and you ppl don't give dirty looks when you sing them?

Candy-coated Fake · Post by **Candy-coated Fake** » 7/16/2003, 2:56 pm

Shouldn't we let Flea have an opinion? It's not like his opinion is hurting anyone. He has some very good points that I had never considered.

Everyone just needs to chill a bit. :nod:

Axtech · Post by **Axtech** » 7/16/2003, 4:22 pm

It's hurting me. I'm bleeding.

Henrietta · Post by **Henrietta** » 7/16/2003, 4:58 pm

Yeah you're right, sorry I was "mean". I just get defensive when anyone doesn't like one of my favorite bands' albums. Whether it is their weakest or not. Innate instinct...I think.

Candy-coated Fake · Post by **Candy-coated Fake** » 7/16/2003, 5:21 pm

My post wasn't directed at you...never mind.

Flea21212 · Post by **Flea21212** » 7/16/2003, 5:31 pm

big_green_monkey wrote:
Flea21212 wrote:
Axtech wrote:How about looking between the lines a little. That's the point.

That's obviously why you think Gravity is so deep and inspiring. It's just the only one simple enough for you to understand.

Or it could mean that the lyrics from the other albums might not have had meaning, but if you look hard enough you finally bring something out of it. Basically you can write down whatever the hell you want and someone... somewhere will think it makes since. I don't buy that.

It's like them saying "clothes are cool when you're dead".. the lyric will make absolutly no since, but someone go annalyze it to the point that they decided that Raine is talking about a kid that is trying to kill themselves.

Ever think just once Raine did that? Wrote something that didn't make since but ryhmed with the line before?

No, because it makes perfect sense once you understand it. Its not as blurry as that is. Do you know what im saying?

Yeah I can, for example in "Theif" when i first started listening to it I had no idea what the song was about. It had bits of meaning here and there, but it wasn't untill I realised that the "thief" was a tumor it made much more sense.

Also when you write metomorphically there is a tendancy to go off on tangents. Where bits and pieces will make since but they don't always go along with the theme of the song. Which is why it can be harder to write straight foreward because the song has to fit the pattern.

For example: "All For You" is a straight foreward song that doesn't fit the pattern. And the lyrics aren't that great. "Jack Karoeuc, on the Road and In My Head" yeah that particular lyric makes perfect since, but doesn't fit what I think is the theme of the song.

This is why I think Thief is such a great song, because Raine speaks both metomorphically and straight foreward. "There's a house built out in space" which refers to heaven while "But I can be some courage at the side of your bed, And I don't know what's happening and I can't pretend
But I can be your, be your" is very straight foreward but evokes a lot of emotion.

ihatethunderbay · Post by **ihatethunderbay** » 7/16/2003, 5:38 pm

..Anyway... yeah.. Thief is definitely the best lyrically, with Clumsy and In Repair tied for second.

ArlieKoz13 · Post by **ArlieKoz13** » 7/16/2003, 5:40 pm

I think Consequence of Laughing is pretty good, too. I'll always have a thing for that song. Nobody ever really seems to think too much of it though.

Brooklin Matt · Post by **Brooklin Matt** » 7/16/2003, 5:42 pm

metaphorically and sense.

ihatethunderbay · Post by **ihatethunderbay** » 7/16/2003, 5:45 pm

yeah, consequence of laughing is a good one. i always forget about it. under zenith is cool too. i get lots of crazy imagery from that song.

big_green_monkey · Post by **big_green_monkey** » 7/16/2003, 5:49 pm

Flea21212 wrote:
big_green_monkey wrote:
Flea21212 wrote:
Axtech wrote:How about looking between the lines a little. That's the point.

That's obviously why you think Gravity is so deep and inspiring. It's just the only one simple enough for you to understand.

Or it could mean that the lyrics from the other albums might not have had meaning, but if you look hard enough you finally bring something out of it. Basically you can write down whatever the hell you want and someone... somewhere will think it makes since. I don't buy that.

It's like them saying "clothes are cool when you're dead".. the lyric will make absolutly no since, but someone go annalyze it to the point that they decided that Raine is talking about a kid that is trying to kill themselves.

Ever think just once Raine did that? Wrote something that didn't make since but ryhmed with the line before?

No, because it makes perfect sense once you understand it. Its not as blurry as that is. Do you know what im saying?

Yeah I can, for example in "Theif" when i first started listening to it I had no idea what the song was about. It had bits of meaning here and there, but it wasn't untill I realised that the "thief" was a tumor it made much more sense.

Also when you write metomorphically there is a tendancy to go off on tangents. Where bits and pieces will make since but they don't always go along with the theme of the song. Which is why it can be harder to write straight foreward because the song has to fit the pattern.

For example: "All For You" is a straight foreward song that doesn't fit the pattern. And the lyrics aren't that great. "Jack Karoeuc, on the Road and In My Head" yeah that particular lyric makes perfect since, but doesn't fit what I think is the theme of the song.

This is why I think Thief is such a great song, because Raine speaks both metomorphically and straight foreward. "There's a house built out in space" which refers to heaven while "But I can be some courage at the side of your bed, And I don't know what's happening and I can't pretend
But I can be your, be your" is very straight foreward but evokes a lot of emotion.

Ahh, i see what you're saying. I guess straightforward can be harder sometimes, but im just gonna call it equal so i can go to sleep tonight.
And that is the biggest quote i have ever seen...

Henrietta · Post by **Henrietta** » 7/16/2003, 9:29 pm

My post wasn't directed at you...never mind.

I know...I just felt bad anyhow.

It seems Made To Heal is always overlooked

Candy-coated Fake · Post by **Candy-coated Fake** » 7/16/2003, 9:32 pm

I love the lyrics for "Made to Heal" :thumbs:

"I'm your Jesus, I'm your pride." :love:

Yes, Raine, you ARE my Jesus. :drool:

Clumsy7Thief · Post by **Clumsy7Thief** » 7/16/2003, 9:32 pm

As do I

He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named · Post by **He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named** » 7/16/2003, 9:42 pm

I love Made to Heal, I just haven't been able to fully find a meaning in it yet.

undecided · Post by **undecided** » 7/16/2003, 10:34 pm

I do find that Gravity is not as strong lytrically as the others because for the most part I can understand them where as with a lot of the other albums I get so caught up trying to understand them that I can not focus on anything else. Like I am not a very smart person when it comes to understanding songs but Gravity is straight forword and for most part an average person can understand. I do like Gravity, but as far as the lyrics I would not say it is Raines strongest album. As he has said many times SM was so out there they had to come back down to earth and that is exatly what Gravity is.
undecided

Brooklin Matt · Post by **Brooklin Matt** » 7/16/2003, 10:38 pm

Of course, Gravity was suppose to be simple and was effectively so. I think Raine's subject matter was also the worst he's come up with. It was a lot of relationship stuff......every other band does that.......OLP is much more fascinating when they tackle human emotion and society. Raine has an original voice......hope he uses it.