Rock Sound Article... Raine Discusses Mike

dumbandjaded13 · Post by **dumbandjaded13** » 10/27/2002, 10:10 pm

So i found this article on OLP.CC, just wondering how many of you read it... basically, Raine says Mike cant play the guitar very well... i was interested on what you guys think...

http://www.ourladypeace.cc/articles/Art ... kSound.htm

the part about Mike is towards the end

sandsleeper · Post by **sandsleeper** » 10/27/2002, 10:12 pm

“If we hadn’t made the decision to replace Mike (Turner, former guitarist), I don’t think we’d be here right now,” says Raine candidly. “When you’re in the middle of something and you’ve got a record deal you don’t want to rock the boat. But with the fifth album you get to a point where if you want to keep going you have to make a change. I don’t know if Mike was born to be a guitar player. The studio was a tough place for him and we were working too hard to make up for it – we felt like we were cheating ourselves. Four albums is way too fucking long to put up with that. I’m sure he’ll do great things, just not with six-stringed instruments.”

ouch.

the android · Post by **the android** » 10/27/2002, 10:15 pm

Youch indeed.

I'm not going to make a big deal out of it, but...I'm sure this topic will stay under massive debate (the Turner vs Mazur debate) for at least a week.

Does it bother me?

Not in the least.

Dumb and Jaded · Post by **Dumb and Jaded** » 10/27/2002, 10:16 pm

How can he say that Mike essentially could not play the guitar very well, when the first four albums were fucking gold - they were masterpieces.

It's that music that made them into the enormously huge "Our Lady Peace" they are today, what establishd there fan base, etc...just doesn't seem right to me.

~*alana*~

ajk · Post by **ajk** » 10/27/2002, 10:16 pm

Although i seriously doubt it, i hope that raine's comments were somehow mis-understood.

If not...well i don't know what to say... I've played guitar for about 7 years, and apparently my Guitar God wasn't meant to play guitar.

Personally i think MT was a great guitarist, i'm not sure what Raine's talking about.

plastic people · Post by **plastic people** » 10/27/2002, 10:48 pm

hey i know this is off topic but holy shit citrick... you know about dredg... hot shit

have you heard the new stuff?

by the way... thanx for the link

One-Eye · Post by **One-Eye** » 10/27/2002, 11:21 pm

Raine and Mike must have had a big fight... with lots of bitch-slapping and hair-pulling. :nod:

Johnny · Post by **Johnny** » 10/27/2002, 11:42 pm

Bitch slappin ha ha ha...Mike probably kicked Raine in the stones.
That wasnt right for Raine to say that about him...That was down right crued.

Narbus · Post by **Narbus** » 10/28/2002, 12:08 am

Lot of bitterness in the article. They also take a dig at Nickelback, which is okay, because Nickelback sucks a big hairy, but still. Lotta hatin' going down.

frank z · Post by **frank z** » 10/28/2002, 12:46 am

None of us were in the studio with these guys! I wonder why all the other records took months with Turner, and this one took ten weeks. HMMM.... I wonder. Probably because they practically had to write every part for Mike and wait days for him to play it.

Post by **faninor** » 10/28/2002, 1:33 am

frank z wrote:None of us were in the studio with these guys! I wonder why all the other records took months with Turner, and this one took ten weeks. HMMM.... I wonder. Probably because they practically had to write every part for Mike and wait days for him to play it.

Fresh meat . . . :evil:

But frank z does have a point, we don't know how Mike was in the studio, but my guess as to why all the other records took so long in the studio is because back then they didn't just record a song and have it ready to release. You can't just record a song like In Repair and call it good, their songs had a lot of layers to them. Some of the songs on Gravity were recorded once and had practically no editing done to them. I recall reading somewhere that he had barely any experience playing guitar when he formed As If with Raine back in the early 90's, and if all of the bootlegs I've heard are any indication, Mike didn't do a lot of solos or play parts very different from the albums during concerts. This year, suddenly they are doing that, and while that doesn't say anything about whether or not Mike was a good or bad guitarist, I think it is an indication that Steve has more talent for playing around with his parts and making concerts more of a musically unique experience.

Eelco · Post by **Eelco** » 10/28/2002, 2:36 am

Narbus wrote:Lot of bitterness in the article. They also take a dig at Nickelback, which is okay, because Nickelback sucks a big hairy, but still. Lotta hatin' going down.

In an interview with a german magazine, Raine says that he respects Nickelback. Every Canadian is supposed to be filled with pride because of their success...

More reviews and interviews about OLP in European media can be found on my website: http://home01.wxs.nl/~mooseland/olpmedia/media.htm

Susan · Post by **Susan** » 10/28/2002, 7:04 am

fuck the haters!

Endymion · Post by **Endymion** » 10/28/2002, 8:24 am

Fuck Raine Maida. Bitch.

And that bullshit about them being "artists" may have been true once, but Gravity screams cheesy, catchy entertainment. Our Lady Peace plays like a group of entertainers. You haven't seen a band play like artists and musicians until you've seen Tool live.

Mike Turner had all the soul in OLP, as far as I'm concerned. He was also a better guitarist than Raine is a vocalist.

Narbus · Post by **Narbus** » 10/28/2002, 10:02 am

EuroLadyPeace wrote:In an interview with a german magazine, Raine says that he respects Nickelback. Every Canadian is supposed to be filled with pride because of their success...

More reviews and interviews about OLP in European media can be found on my website: http://home01.wxs.nl/~mooseland/olpmedia/media.htm

The Article wrote:according to bassist Duncan Coutts, it’s their status as “musicians and artists, not entertainers” that distinguishes them from Nickelback

They just said that Nickelback aren't real musicians. I'd call that a dig. A true one, but that makes it hurt ALL THE MORE.

trentm32 · Post by **trentm32** » 10/28/2002, 10:37 am

Sad to see Raine being all pissy at Mike, from what I've read in Mie-iviews, he's had nothing but good, good things to say about OLP. Look's like Raine stayed in the bitter barn a bit longer...

Anyways, I do miss Mike. I totally got the Nickelback=entertainers thing too. A few weeks ago I caught OLP and Nickelback together.

OLP had Raine climbing on crap, you know, the usual Maida performance, with the rest of the band playing great, etc.

Kickelback had fire, and tons, tons, tons, tons of pyro. Very little performing, just mostly stage effects.

8-)

kulganflame · Post by **kulganflame** » 10/28/2002, 10:48 am

Fuck Raine Maida. Bitch.

And that bullshit about them being "artists" may have been true once, but Gravity screams cheesy, catchy entertainment. Our Lady Peace plays like a group of entertainers. You haven't seen a band play like artists and musicians until you've seen Tool live.

Mike Turner had all the soul in OLP, as far as I'm concerned. He was also a better guitarist than Raine is a vocalist.

that's bullshit. people like you piss me off. yeah it sucks that mike left, but there's no point in bashing the band because they made a change. if something doesn't change then it becomes stagnant. Gravity doesn't sound like the rest of their albums, but then again, none of their albums sound terribly alike.
you can't judge a bands musical integrity because of a change in style. lots of people say that OLP sold out for this album. i don't get how this can be said. the band changed their sound and struck it big. it's not like OLP turned into O-town or n*sync. they just adapeted their sound.
people need to stop living in the past. if you're truly a fan of OLP you'll respect their decisions. i'm sure they have good reasons for everything that they do and we have no place to judge them because of it.
that's about all for my rant... i'm gonna go sit down and take a breather now.

luckyJQ9 · Post by **luckyJQ9** » 10/28/2002, 11:11 am

ouch...i don't know what to say about that...that's pretty rough. i'm just going to back out of this thread slowly.

committed · Post by **committed** » 10/28/2002, 11:43 am

frank z wrote:None of us were in the studio with these guys! I wonder why all the other records took months with Turner, and this one took ten weeks. HMMM.... I wonder. Probably because they practically had to write every part for Mike and wait days for him to play it.

i'd rather wait months for perfection than 10 weeks for a piece of shit.

deniedjunkie · Post by **deniedjunkie** » 10/28/2002, 11:55 am

i think ill back out of this thread as well