The NHL Thread

Gimme_Shelter · Post by **Gimme_Shelter** » 10/22/2005, 8:51 pm

i just dont like Koivu
never have

and i like when people argue with, "he had cancer"
what does that have to do with hockey?

Dr. Hobo · Post by **Dr. Hobo** » 10/22/2005, 9:25 pm

simple really... cancer and chemotherapy sap the body of strength and energy.
hockey is a aport that needs strength and energy, therefore is one is sapped of that plus the muscle mass loss and all that and is already "small" by nhl standards, the likelihood of coming back and playing at a high level the same season as the treatment incurred.
so in closing thats what cancer has to do with hockey.

bd007h · Post by **bd007h** » 10/22/2005, 9:36 pm

Koivu is far better than Darcy Tucker will ever be

Gimme_Shelter · Post by **Gimme_Shelter** » 10/23/2005, 6:36 am

Darcy Tucker isnt not the captain of his team
thats the stupidest argument i have ever read, considering they are also two completely different style of players
i dont think i have even once seen Koivu stand up for one of his teammates

and i know its only a few games in, but here are the numbers so far

.............GP ....G ....A ....Pts
Koivu...... 7 .....3 ....3 .....6

Tucker ....7 ......4 ....5 .....9

and Koivu is small but NHL standards, but Tucker isnt bigger

Koivu
5'10''
185

Tucker
5'10
175

Gimme_Shelter · Post by **Gimme_Shelter** » 10/23/2005, 6:37 am

and im not saying Tucker is a more skilled player

Gimme_Shelter · Post by **Gimme_Shelter** » 10/23/2005, 6:40 am

Dr. Hobo wrote:simple really... cancer and chemotherapy sap the body of strength and energy.
hockey is a aport that needs strength and energy, therefore is one is sapped of that plus the muscle mass loss and all that and is already "small" by nhl standards, the likelihood of coming back and playing at a high level the same season as the treatment incurred.
so in closing thats what cancer has to do with hockey.

true it does do that,
but right now does he have cancer and is he undergoing chemotherapy?
no, so right now thats not a very good argument at all

i mean hes a pretty decent player and all, but he is way overrated

Gimme_Shelter · Post by **Gimme_Shelter** » 10/23/2005, 4:23 pm

Dr. Hobo · Post by **Dr. Hobo** » 10/23/2005, 7:22 pm

Gimme_Shelter wrote:Darcy Tucker isnt not the captain of his team
thats the stupidest argument i have ever read,

right because all captains in the league have to score and cant lead by example in terms of effort and other intangibles.

Gimme_Shelter wrote:considering they are also two completely different style of players

that i'll give you.. they do have a different styel.

Gimme_Shelter wrote:i dont think i have even once seen Koivu stand up for one of his teammates

i have plenty of times.. if anything given his past knee problems, the coaches/trainers and his teammates dont let him but he has and he always will.

Gimme_Shelter · Post by **Gimme_Shelter** » 10/23/2005, 8:17 pm

im not saying hes a bad captan in terms of effort or anything
just that other dude who doesnt know anything for some reason decided to state that Koivu is better then Tucker

and my basic point was Koivu damn well better be
hes the captain of his team

but i still think Koivu is overrated

Dr. Hobo · Post by **Dr. Hobo** » 10/23/2005, 8:30 pm

so's sundin as far as im concerned so lets agree to disagree and call it even

Gimme_Shelter · Post by **Gimme_Shelter** » 10/23/2005, 8:43 pm

Dr. Hobo · Post by **Dr. Hobo** » 10/23/2005, 8:45 pm

Gimme_Shelter · Post by **Gimme_Shelter** » 10/23/2005, 8:51 pm

...............GP ......G .......A ........Pts ......+/-
Sundin ...1087 ...465 ....624 ...1089 .....+56
Koivu .....505 .....124 ....282 ...406 .......+12

and Sundin is captain clutch
how many game winners did he have last season?

Sundin was also on the Olympic Tournament All Star Team, meaning he is one of the best players in the world out of every country

Gimme_Shelter · Post by **Gimme_Shelter** » 10/23/2005, 8:52 pm

and Sundin is way more consistent

Dr. Hobo · Post by **Dr. Hobo** » 10/23/2005, 8:56 pm

who said i was comparing sundin to koivu at all?
i mean sundin alone is overrated

don't ask why · Post by **don't ask why** » 10/23/2005, 9:15 pm

Sundin's not overrated, he's underrated. He's a solid player. But Peter Forsberg is the best forward in the league. And still, I think Chris Pronger is the best/smartest defenceman.

Dr. Hobo · Post by **Dr. Hobo** » 10/23/2005, 9:26 pm

i think he is

starseed_10 · Post by **starseed_10** » 10/23/2005, 10:47 pm

sundin probably is overrated, but he's still damn good.

how has mcCabe's defense been? he's putting up points like a madman, but i havent had time to watch a full game yet..

bd007h · Post by **bd007h** » 10/23/2005, 11:18 pm

Daniel Briere is tied for 2nd place in the NHL in goals scored with 7. The Sabres are tied for second place in the Northeast Division with 12 points

Dr. Hobo · Post by **Dr. Hobo** » 10/23/2005, 11:23 pm

starseed_10 wrote:sundin probably is overrated, but he's still damn good.

thats all i meant.

way to go steve :nod:

i never said he isnt good or that he sucked or whatever
i just think hes overrated