NEW ALBUM SONGS

reza · Post by **reza** » 3/15/2005, 9:33 pm

wtf is going on here?

nikki4982 · Post by **nikki4982** » 3/15/2005, 10:03 pm

Everyone's vocalizing why rap is a plague on society.

Random Name wrote:Heh heh heh.

"Don't stop sucking me in
Making me come back to you"

Is anyone else thinking what I'm thinking?

Bad Sarah, bad!!!

Flea21212 · Post by **Flea21212** » 3/15/2005, 10:25 pm

I like everything, think it sounds good, and will sound even better once we get to hear the songs as a whole.

However, I do miss the guitars, and the raw sound that the Live cd and DVD captured so well of the first five albums. Everything sounds just very "produced" which isn't necessarily un-OLP I mean Spiritual Machines, my favorite album, was probably the most produced album they had. But from what I was hearing from the band I was expecting a much "rawer" sound.

But we shouldn't be making assumptions until we actualy hear the final cuts and the album as a whole.

wazon891 · Post by **wazon891** » 3/15/2005, 10:47 pm

ok i'm going to try to make a reasonable post here i'll probably get flamed either way cuz i'm a noob and for striking down the positive vibe- i have to say my expectations for these songs were not particularly high, but i found myself overwhelmingly excited to hear the new stuff i spent hours last night opening and closing and reopening the player just to get to some OLP songs (i found that to be faster than waiting through some of the other crap)- so finally i have heard all the songs but the angels one- but i have to say . . .i'm not trying to rain on n e ones parade . . .but i think most of these songs are REALLY lame- i happened to like "wipe that smile .." when i heard it live- now i listen to the preview, granted i know its just a preview, but man what happened?? i know some people have touched on this, but wtf happened to going for that raw, live approach? i don't think the stupid echoy vocals that trail his voice on half the songs, and all the lame synths and keyboards exactly constitute something that sounds more "live"- this album is looking to be just as overproduced as the last- i haven't heard a remotely interesting thing from jeremy, he's again a drum machine at best- the guitar work is ok . . .but we've all seen steve live . . .he's a hell of a guitarist- the guy can just wail . . .but he does nothing here to show his talent- i'm trying to be objective and have my opinions justified but i really don't understand how anyone who has enjoyed the OLP of b4 . . .can like a song like best day- thats just crap- give me a break- what is raine writing about??? i know its very vain of me to question the guys incentives for writing lyrics, and i realize OLP has EVERY right in the world to go in whatever musical direction they please, i just can't believe this is it- it sounds more processed, more cliched- more like bob rock went and said to raine . . ."hey man can you pretend you're 14 and in and out of relationships and really sad about all of them"- i mean the guy is married, he has SO much experience with people, the only lyrics he is now offering is about staring at pictures

"Don't stop sucking me in
Making me come back to you
No one will ever comepare
Will ever be better than you"

"Don't take my picture down
And don't erase everything that we had
Don't think I'd let you down
[?] we'll meet again
Can't find you
So I'll call your name"

i mean these lyrics are a joke right??? how much less original or uninteresting can a person get . . .they have got to be just making him write this way- cuz this doesn't make sense coming from a guy his age at his point in life- again its probably pretty bogus of me to be saying stuff like this, but it just seems so ridiculous- musicly, picture and don't stop were actually pretty good- but think of how good picture would be with some halfway decent lyrics . . .- the guy speaks out about politics, and all the iraq shit going on in magazine interviews- does he not have anything interesting to write about in his music? picture could be a great song, the usual kinda sad but in a positive way, reflective song we love from OLP, but it just killed by ridiculous lyrics about absolutely nothing important- they killed not afraid, now they have killed wipe that smile- all i can say is i hope these are not the main cuts of the album- the clip of vampires from way back when is decent, and it least he has something to say in that song- bands are supposed to mature as they get older, its natural- music should be natural too, but nothing they're writing or n e thing hes singing sounds natural- it sounds fake, processed and aimed for a certain audience- sorry for the negativity but i really think on the whole these songs are VERY dissapointing- sorry for the really long post too but is anyone else feeling a let down by these songs??

nikki4982 · Post by **nikki4982** » 3/15/2005, 10:55 pm

AHHHH! That's freaking LONG.

*reads*

nikki4982 · Post by **nikki4982** » 3/15/2005, 11:05 pm

K, now for a real reply... I haven't listened to any of the clips, but I think you're judging far too soon... they're only clips of songs, not full songs. Wait until you hear the full songs to judge so critically.

reza · Post by **reza** » 3/15/2005, 11:05 pm

a LONG angry post haha. i dunno, i noticed the lack of rawness too. except for wipe and angels (with the vocal track and teh gasping for air). i also see the politicalness in the music.

starseed_10 · Post by **starseed_10** » 3/15/2005, 11:19 pm

hey wazon, you should keep saying things like n e ones.

Furious George · Post by **Furious George** » 3/15/2005, 11:29 pm

^ I agree, the most dissapointing thing about the new songs are the "overproduced" sound.. I loved how a lot of their stuff could capture every ounce of emotion in Raine's voice - eseentially carrying the band and giving most of the punch. I'm sure most people here when they first listened to OLP were most struck by how emotional and versatile Raine's voice is.

While it's not completely terrible here, I think they didn't even approach the potential of capturing Raine's voice. Gone is all the emotion and angst and feeling. The worst thing a guy like Raine (who has such a gifted voice) can do is to become mediocre.

THE most confusing thing for me is why they would want to abandon Raine's brilliant lyric-writing, jeremy's drums, and just RAW energy you feel pulsating through all OLP songs.

I'm actually a huge supporter of change. At this point in the band's career it's completely appropriate for them to do a complete creative turn-around. I seriously wouldn't mind if OLP changed EVERY aspect of their music, so long as it remained brilliant. I can honestly say I wouldn't mind if Raine pumped out only happy-go-lucky lyrics from now on, so long as thet are not ridiculous and cliched. Raine's lyrics have the unique power to be really creative and really connect with the fans in a big way. I don't see why he couldn't apply this to different kinsd of songs and different styles of music, but I definately wouldn't want to see his lyrics become "dumbed down" and lacking in any originality. I'm ok with Jeremy drumming completely differently, but I still think you can be a little more creative when doing some simple drum beats. I was actually excited when I heard about Jeremey simplifying his beats, I was thinking "wow, that's the complete opposite of who he used to be, restraints on musical style often create very interesting and ORIGINAL outcomes".. unfortunately it seems pretty uninspired and tame now....

I don't know, as a person who really wants and supports OLP's artistic ventures (for such a creative band, they should explore as many avenues of music as they can...god the possibilites are endless) it just seems just that they seem to be putting their new energies into the wrong places...

That being said, these songs aren't bad. They just seem mediocre...and beind medicore is the worst thing a band like OLP can be.

reza · Post by **reza** » 3/15/2005, 11:31 pm

maybe raine just can't hit the same notes anymore? i mean the guys getting old.

Furious George · Post by **Furious George** » 3/15/2005, 11:36 pm

I think I lost it a bit there. A little too much judging before I listened to it carefully enough. I'll take back everything I said for now.

I actually do quite like some of this stuff. Angels Losing Sleep is most excellent.

I think my above post sums up some fears I had with OLP's direction. So I mean, don't take it too seriously. Take the post instead as something I certainly DON'T want OLP to become.

Some of this stuff is definately promising.

Johnny · Post by **Johnny** » 3/15/2005, 11:40 pm

I cant even begin to judge the songs with just clips.

Furious George · Post by **Furious George** » 3/15/2005, 11:41 pm

Damn, World On A String has one hella cool groove that was lacking in OLP before.

Hot damn. I'm really liking this stuff..

Man oh man, Steve's licks are fucking awesome!

^ If you hadn't noticed, I'm listening as I was typing.

Flea21212 · Post by **Flea21212** » 3/15/2005, 11:46 pm

nikki4982 wrote:K, now for a real reply... I haven't listened to any of the clips, but I think you're judging far too soon... they're only clips of songs, not full songs. Wait until you hear the full songs to judge so critically.

I agree with you, but even though we've only heard 1-2 minute clips you can deffinitly get an idea of how the songs are produced.

But basically, if you listen to Not Afraid when we first head it live at the Junos and then listened to the studio version you could notice that all the rawness that it had live was gone in the studio version. Still a good song, but it just didn't have that same feel, it was more "produced" but then again it depends on the style of music you're interested in listening too.

As for everything else, I don't want to jump on a bandwagon to quickly to say I love it or hate it.

Furious George · Post by **Furious George** » 3/15/2005, 11:53 pm

Holy cow. I'm gonna risk being obnoxious with my multiple posts (in fact I'm certain I am).

I LOVE what they did with Best Day of Your Life.

I can easily see this being an awesome crowd rouser live. This should be a single. Jesus, there is so much crazy-fun energy in that song.

Brooklin Matt · Post by **Brooklin Matt** » 3/16/2005, 12:22 am

I think the new lyrics are deceptively simple....

especially the lyrics to Don't Stop which I think may be about corporate America or the media. World on a String has the same feeling.

and lyrics like "its gets tangled up and spun around like the truth inside a liar" are actually quite direct.......I think I respect Raine a lot more despite the seeming simplicity because we know he's intelligent and socially conscientious which is coming out here..... we need to give the material more than a once over.

Best Day aggravates me as well. It sounds like an anthem for a 12 year old.......hopefully this one stays locked up inside the vault....

He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named · Post by **He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named** » 3/16/2005, 12:39 am

I think "Angels Losing Sleep" is fantastic lyrically. He can be simpler without using his normal out-there metaphors and still be poetic.

Nothing else really stands out all that much lyrically but it's better than Gravity.

And "World On a String" has a vibe that maybe could fit it onto Clumsy.

nelison · Post by **nelison** » 3/16/2005, 12:48 am

After listening to these songs when they came out I then decided to take a look at all of OLP's songs from the first 4 albums, which we all consider to have deep, profound and intelligent lyrics. I think in a lot of cases the lyrics we see on these songs aren't much different from those on the other records. The difference is in the guitars, and drumming.

I think the little quirks that were in the older songs are what made us perceive those songs as complex. Listening to Happiness and SM on headphones we find layer after layer of sounds. The fact that all of these sounds make the songs sound complex, as forced us to carry that idea over to the lyrics as well.

Also, I think that for many of us OLP represents a time in our lives where the lyrics meant something specific to us. I don't feel inspired or moved by anything OLP has done since Gravity, and I think it's because I moved on from a different part of my life where a lot of pleasant and momentous memories occured along with their music. Hell, I still get chills sometimes listening to 4am only because in grade 7 it was a song I slowdanced to with the girl I liked. It's almost nostalgic. I think a lot of people here understand what I mean by this. Go back and compare the lyrics from album to album. I think you'll find songs with simpler lyrics than anything we've heard so far from Vampires. What I found weird was that SM has some incredibly simple lyrics. I know everyone considers it their best album, but apart from the insertion of "mechanical" or "computer" there really isn't a lot of substance there.

I come across as bitter about OLP only because there's a part of me that finds it difficult to believe that a band that once inspired me, no longer creates music that has any effect on me whatsoever. I don't know if this music is good. I don't know if it's bad. All I know is that it doesn't inspire me, and to me that is what makes a song or an album special. Sure these are only small clips, and maybe the best parts of everything have been cut out of them and saved as a surprise for the album, but I'm going to side with the "highly doubt it" column.

I'm glad there are people here who dig what they've heard and I'm going to refrain from critquing. I think the people who dig it are people who can feel the music. Personally, I can't, and that's not OLP's fault.

wazon891 · Post by **wazon891** » 3/16/2005, 12:50 am

well i am not unreasonable so i have to say you make a point that they are only clips and i may be judging too quickly- and one of my fav parts of wipe that smile was wen steve and jeremy were just kinda jammin which wasn't in the clip . . .but based on what happened to not afraid- that went from one of the best songs they've written since spirutal machines . . .to a piece of trash- plain and simple the song is horrible now . . .if our lady peace wants to be more "raw" maybe they should take an hour and relisten to a great record they once made- its called naveed- and i have to say i really disagree with the arguement about raine being older affecting his voice so much- if he was like 50 as opposed to being 25 than MAYBE thatd be the case- voices dont get signicantly worse over a few years unless something traumatic happens- i'll tell you another reason i think raine's voice sounds so emotionless and empty, because its processed- i touched on this in a post a while back . . .but did anyone notice somewhere out there is played a couple octaves lower wen they play it live?? i think it has largely to do with that raines voice was pitch shifted a lot on the gravity album- that would explain why it sounds so hollow and odd- like wen i first heard the album i thought maybe he just took singing lessons or something, but a pitch shifter makes much more sense- which is stupid . . .he has a great voice, but he doesn't have the greatest range in his normal voice thats why the falsettos come out- they should write songs that allow his voice to be great . . .not digitally enhance it so it fits the music they think will sell- and with every comment i hear about best day being good, i go back to listen to see if it grows on me- it doesn't- i really think it just sucks- "picture" has though . . .a lot- that little guitar thing on top of the chords is great- and raines voice sounds like raine in the verses- itd be sweet if raines voice sounded like raine all the time . . .but i guess thats asking too much

wazon891 · Post by **wazon891** » 3/16/2005, 12:57 am

hey and just for fun . . .if you really think these lyrics are no more simple than the old you're kidding yourself- lets take a look
OLD
She builds her own satellite
From an old rusted chair
She leaves this old world behind
And the things that she cares

Maybe she's gone
But it won't be for long
What do I know?
Maybe she's found
What we all dream about
What do I know?

NEW
Don't stop sucking me in
Making me come back to you
No one will ever comepare
Will ever be better than you

OLD
Tonight, your faith has come down
To money and a TV
Psychics who've never been to mars
And nazis breast feeding
I know you must be upset
I can't find meaning

NEW
Don't take my picture down
And don't erase everything that we had
Don't think I'd let you down
[?] we'll meet again
Can't find you
So I'll call your name

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