American Government: The World is Watching...
Laurie Pringle
It may not be fair, it may not be correct, but Americans will be judged based on this election. The world is watching. The world often watches American elections to varying degrees, but this election is unlike past elections.
The USA has entered into a military situation which is often regarded as illegal and immoral. American foreign policy has long been regarded as arrogant, ignorant, and inconsiderate. The overwhelming perception of American government as selfish, inconsiderate and lacking any sense of being a “world citizen”, has increased exponentially since the invasion of Iraq. Many people around the world are looking at this election to discern whether or not these horrendous attitudes are representative of the American people.
I have received a some rather nasty emails and comments from people who object to my “involvement” in American politics. These people too often neglect to consider America’s “involvement” in the policies and practices of other nations. The USA, whether in matters of government, environment, human rights, or other issues has injected itself into the daily lives of many governments and people across the world and yet, they cringe at the notion that others may offer opinions and preferences with regards to their governance. It’s not a terribly consistent position.
It's important to note that the USA has done a world of good in their outside involvements. However, a lifetime of good deeds does not excuse irresponsible and/or erroneous acts, particularly when those errors result in thousands of deaths and more world instability. If I give 1000 dollars to charity, am I then allowed to go and steal 10,000 dollars from the bank and escape accountability for my crime? Of course not! Nobody expects perfection, but we do expect humility and the ability to recognize a poor decision and make changes accordingly when mistakes are made.
When a President will not admit his mistakes, people are left to question whether this person is someone responsible and deserving enough to hold a position of power. Although, America has largely used its power for good, under G.W. Bush, and in light of the events surrounding Iraq, we have to ask whether or not that power has been abused. An unrepentant American President is frightening. The blind faith that some Americans have in their President is even more frightening. If an American president comes out tomorrow and decides to invade Australia, Canada, Ireland or any other "good" nation, these people would fall in-step and accept it. I realize this is extremely unlikely, but in the current environment it’s not impossible, and it should be.
The world is watching because America’s power and influence extends beyond its’ own borders into the daily lives of people across the world. The world is watching, because we have good reason to distrust American government. The world is watching, because we’re hopeful that the American people will show us that they are not as arrogant, ignorant and unrepentant as their current government appears to be. The world is watching, because American power in the wrong hands is the biggest threat to world peace and stability that exists today. The world is praying that the American people will be better stewards of that power than G.W. Bush and his government have proven to be over the past four years.
Get this place talking
Get this place talking
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
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-When making comments, agree with, or disprove comments, don't just say it's wrong
-Think with an open mind
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
Just a couple thoughts... its late so I apologize if they aren't very clear. I'll clarify in the morning.
First off, I don't think this is merely a George Bush issue. In the past, no matter if it was a republican or democrat, the USA has used the military and strength to their advantage. If Kerry were to win, the troops would remain in Iraq. His goal so far is to have them out by the end of his first term. So that's four more years of battles between Iraqis and the US military. After that, who's to say that the president to be elected after a four year Kerry term wouldn't throw those men back into Iraq. Although George Bush has been hell bent on a war with Iraq since day one, that war is still going on, and by no means will either candidate take their soldiers out completely and end this war.
Now, we must remember that although the war in Iraq could be done soon, there are still many countries in the "axis of evil" that Bush would love to deal with. An early victory in Iraq would allow more troops to head to another country. I'd doubt North Korea would be attacked, so Iran would probably be the next target. I suspect that this would lead to more terrorism, and world unrest. If anything, Sudan should be on the list of countries to attack, but that will never happen. Why bother spending money in a region that isn't marketable?
ok thats it for me for today... I probably won't remember what I wrote in the morning...
First off, I don't think this is merely a George Bush issue. In the past, no matter if it was a republican or democrat, the USA has used the military and strength to their advantage. If Kerry were to win, the troops would remain in Iraq. His goal so far is to have them out by the end of his first term. So that's four more years of battles between Iraqis and the US military. After that, who's to say that the president to be elected after a four year Kerry term wouldn't throw those men back into Iraq. Although George Bush has been hell bent on a war with Iraq since day one, that war is still going on, and by no means will either candidate take their soldiers out completely and end this war.
Now, we must remember that although the war in Iraq could be done soon, there are still many countries in the "axis of evil" that Bush would love to deal with. An early victory in Iraq would allow more troops to head to another country. I'd doubt North Korea would be attacked, so Iran would probably be the next target. I suspect that this would lead to more terrorism, and world unrest. If anything, Sudan should be on the list of countries to attack, but that will never happen. Why bother spending money in a region that isn't marketable?
ok thats it for me for today... I probably won't remember what I wrote in the morning...
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
i think the article isn't just talking about Bush, but more along the lines of what the American people are about to say about who they really are.
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
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it's not fair but it's true, America will be viewed by which president they choose, because that would mean most agree with him. It's not fair but it's how it would happen
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
1) After the last lot of polling it would appear that Bush is headed for another 4 yrs at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave with an 11pt lead over Kerry.
2) The end of the American Era is coming. Soon to be replaced by the Chinese. And sure as eggs are eggs the Chinese era will last a lot longer than the American one. And sure as hell the foreign policy of China is something far more worrying than the foreign policy of the US.
3. If an American president comes out tomorrow and decides to invade Australia, Canada, Ireland or any other "good" nation, these people would fall in-step and accept it. I realize this is extremely unlikely, but in the current environment it’s not impossible, and it should be. - No this would be impossible. There is not a snowflakes chance in hell this would ever happen. It IS impossible.
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it has been brought to my attn that there is more than 1 sort of attack. Thanks for pointing it out to me. i can't see the forest throught the trees sometimes.
2) The end of the American Era is coming. Soon to be replaced by the Chinese. And sure as eggs are eggs the Chinese era will last a lot longer than the American one. And sure as hell the foreign policy of China is something far more worrying than the foreign policy of the US.
3. If an American president comes out tomorrow and decides to invade Australia, Canada, Ireland or any other "good" nation, these people would fall in-step and accept it. I realize this is extremely unlikely, but in the current environment it’s not impossible, and it should be. - No this would be impossible. There is not a snowflakes chance in hell this would ever happen. It IS impossible.
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it has been brought to my attn that there is more than 1 sort of attack. Thanks for pointing it out to me. i can't see the forest throught the trees sometimes.
Last edited by Korzic on 9/11/2004, 1:58 am, edited 1 time in total.
I'm going to reply properly when i've read the article and my head isn't all over the place. But it's probably worth mentioning that (as far as I know) Sean found that article in Matt Good's blog at www.matthewgood.org and there's other good stuff on there too that you should read as well.
Open your eyes to nights and days, you close them up and float away
and somehow inbetween you've got to master lying to yourself
you back the cause, get out of school, you get a job, the job gets you
and somehow every day you end up serving somebody else
now if that ain't panic that you're feeling, then you damn well better start
you can drive it into that head of yours with the hammer in your heart.
And it's alriiiiiiiight now, take the world and make it yours again.
and somehow inbetween you've got to master lying to yourself
you back the cause, get out of school, you get a job, the job gets you
and somehow every day you end up serving somebody else
now if that ain't panic that you're feeling, then you damn well better start
you can drive it into that head of yours with the hammer in your heart.
And it's alriiiiiiiight now, take the world and make it yours again.
According to most experts the next world war will be faught over Fresh Water, and Canada possess the worlds most fresh water. It's not that far of a stretch to think that America would take actions against Canada, it already is through treaties and bullying. Not to mention basically the only threat Canada has EVER faced has been from America.
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
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Korzic wrote:1) After the last lot of polling it would appear that Bush is headed for another 4 yrs at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave with an 11pt lead over Kerry.
2) The end of the American Era is coming. Soon to be replaced by the Chinese. And sure as eggs are eggs the Chinese era will last a lot longer than the American one. And sure as hell the foreign policy of China is something far more worrying than the foreign policy of the US.
3. If an American president comes out tomorrow and decides to invade Australia, Canada, Ireland or any other "good" nation, these people would fall in-step and accept it. I realize this is extremely unlikely, but in the current environment it’s not impossible, and it should be. - No this would be impossible. There is not a snowflakes chance in hell this would ever happen. It IS impossible.
1) The election isnt until November.
~But you are quite right in assuming Canada would ally with Australia. Our two nations get along as a whole much better than Canada and The US does.
sinead
Many people actually consider America the new Rome, which i find intriguing. I can't help but agree, and it's scary because if you look at them that way you can almost see the same fate happening. Just like in the Roman Empire, not all citizens were blind to what was happening, but no one listened. While fighting the barbarians across the world, Rome was spread to thin and neglected the fact that it was rotting from the inside out. In there own arrogance they tried to rule and police the world because of their superior knowledge, morals, and faith. Then they fell to their own decandence and arrogance.
Every Empire will one day crumble, and America is well on the way, and no one seems to notice.
Every Empire will one day crumble, and America is well on the way, and no one seems to notice.
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
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"What goes up, must come down".
In an unrelated moment, i found this; http://www.georgebush.ca/ Its cool.
Back to the topic. It is very scary that no one is listening to those who see it. Very. We're supposed to be living in a civilized world, yet still no one knows how to communicate.
In an unrelated moment, i found this; http://www.georgebush.ca/ Its cool.
Back to the topic. It is very scary that no one is listening to those who see it. Very. We're supposed to be living in a civilized world, yet still no one knows how to communicate.
sinead
i know i've posted this quote twice already but i can't help it.
"On September 11, 2001 terror came to America. In response, Bush and his circle of friends led us into the age old trap of Us vs Them. We are right, blessed, powerful - they are wrong, evil, weak. The opportunity for America to lead the world toward equality, democracy, and prosperity in the new millenium was thus squandered. Justified in the name of God and country, America is now dealing in it's own brand of processed terror - a terror against terror, a terror without end. It has all happened hundreds of times before: We stand watchful and fearful at the gates, waiting for the barbarians, not realizing that the only evil that can destroy us is our own. We have learned nothing, nothing at all." Richard DeGrandpre
"The suicide bomber kills a person and is called a murderer and a coward. The liberator kills from great distances and is called a hero and freedom fighter. Innocent lives can be lost as a form of virtue, but only by accident, even if the chance of "accident' is certain. "Terrorism" thus becomes a question not of killing innocent people but of choosing or not choosing exactly who is to die."
"On September 11, 2001 terror came to America. In response, Bush and his circle of friends led us into the age old trap of Us vs Them. We are right, blessed, powerful - they are wrong, evil, weak. The opportunity for America to lead the world toward equality, democracy, and prosperity in the new millenium was thus squandered. Justified in the name of God and country, America is now dealing in it's own brand of processed terror - a terror against terror, a terror without end. It has all happened hundreds of times before: We stand watchful and fearful at the gates, waiting for the barbarians, not realizing that the only evil that can destroy us is our own. We have learned nothing, nothing at all." Richard DeGrandpre
"The suicide bomber kills a person and is called a murderer and a coward. The liberator kills from great distances and is called a hero and freedom fighter. Innocent lives can be lost as a form of virtue, but only by accident, even if the chance of "accident' is certain. "Terrorism" thus becomes a question not of killing innocent people but of choosing or not choosing exactly who is to die."
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
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Korzic wrote:Sine wrote:Yeah, and that time, Canada won. That was also the last time America lost a war. I use lost figuratively by the way. Everyone loses when war is concerned.
I believe Vietnam came after that one. And the Korean war as well.
But whats different about those wars is they were the US trying to "Help" and etc. In the war against Canada, the US invaded, trying to gain control of Canada as well.
sinead
they say that although Abe was probably one ofthe most honerable men in American history, Canada should also view Booth in good light. If Lincoln hadn't been assinated there's a good chance Canada would not have existed.
that holds no real meaning to the subject just a tidbit i picked up in American history
that holds no real meaning to the subject just a tidbit i picked up in American history
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
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I disagree with that quote. AS I said in my other post, the "liberator" takes the fight to those who would seek to end the lives of innocent civilians deliberately. The martyr will be subtle while the liberator warns those of the incoming threat.
I was by no means in favour of heading to Iraq a 2nd time. But happen it did and the bonus in that was that Saddam is no longer free to persecute and eradicate and torture the Kurds in the north or his own people who speak out against him. And that for one makes me happy. A lot of good about what is happening in Iraq atm is not reported, becaue good news doesn't sell (unless its sports). If you look beyond the negatives, you'll find a lot of positives. Children now go to school, people have fresh water and electricity. There is a LOT of support for the US in Iraq. But that's the unseen side. The means will never justify the ends in this case, but at least the ending is bright, rather than gloomy.
I was by no means in favour of heading to Iraq a 2nd time. But happen it did and the bonus in that was that Saddam is no longer free to persecute and eradicate and torture the Kurds in the north or his own people who speak out against him. And that for one makes me happy. A lot of good about what is happening in Iraq atm is not reported, becaue good news doesn't sell (unless its sports). If you look beyond the negatives, you'll find a lot of positives. Children now go to school, people have fresh water and electricity. There is a LOT of support for the US in Iraq. But that's the unseen side. The means will never justify the ends in this case, but at least the ending is bright, rather than gloomy.
Childern went to school, had water, and electricity, and hospitals before America arrived. Infact America is what disrupted and destroyed most of those services. For some reason people think Iraq was like Africa. It was suffering, but most of it was actually due to strict UN laws to contain Saddam that also ended up hurting the public. Saddam was horrible, that can't be debated. But he was under control, he was no threat, and he wasn't much of a threat to his people any longer even. The UN had his ass pressed to the wall to hard he couldn't move a finger without them knowing.
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month