So.....my American Government had a class debate today about immigration. I'd like to see what you guys have to say.
This should be fun.........
1. Should immigration be restricted?? If yes, should there be a quota put in place?? How much? Should certain types be restricted?
2. Do you feel that American culture has benefited from immigration??? Do you feel that immigration has been a bad thing?
3. Do you feel that illegal immigration has been a problem? California recently passed a law banning illegal immigrants from receiving welfare benefits. Do you agree with this? Could more be done similar to this law?
4. NY state recently had a politician propose that illegal immigrants should be allowed to vote, is this right? What about "legal" immigrants that are here working, but are not citizens.....should they be allowed to vote?
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Debate: Immigration
Debate: Immigration
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Now I'm not familiar with American views on immigration so I can't really answer anything beyond the first question.
1. I certainly believe there should be restrictions on who gets in. We don't need people to come into our countries and being a burden on our system. If someone's going to come in and just live on welfare, that isn't right. There should be a number of stipulations that you must meet to get in:
a) must have a certain amount of money to be able to care for yourself, and your family in the immediate future (as in within the next 3-5 years, unless there are external factors that occur after you've moved to the country. i.e. illness in the family, accidents, basically anything beyond your control)
b) the immigrant should have work already set up, or have enough marketable skills to find work.
c) must be of good health.
d) must not have had any criminal problems within 5-10 years, and must not have spent a certain time in a jail.
e) Must have an understanding of laws within the country.
I'm sure there are many others, but those are just off the top of my head. There should not be an exact quota, but there must be emphasis placed on different professions, and whether there are jobs available within the country. Obviously if there aren't any job then you shouldn't let people in.
1. I certainly believe there should be restrictions on who gets in. We don't need people to come into our countries and being a burden on our system. If someone's going to come in and just live on welfare, that isn't right. There should be a number of stipulations that you must meet to get in:
a) must have a certain amount of money to be able to care for yourself, and your family in the immediate future (as in within the next 3-5 years, unless there are external factors that occur after you've moved to the country. i.e. illness in the family, accidents, basically anything beyond your control)
b) the immigrant should have work already set up, or have enough marketable skills to find work.
c) must be of good health.
d) must not have had any criminal problems within 5-10 years, and must not have spent a certain time in a jail.
e) Must have an understanding of laws within the country.
I'm sure there are many others, but those are just off the top of my head. There should not be an exact quota, but there must be emphasis placed on different professions, and whether there are jobs available within the country. Obviously if there aren't any job then you shouldn't let people in.
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
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1. Should immigration be restricted?? If yes, should there be a quota put in place?? How much? Should certain types be restricted? Yes, immigration should be restricted, but only depending on the circumstances: I mean, i grew up most of my life in Richmond, a burb of Vancouver. I would say that of the 500,000 residents, more than 50% were immigrants from Hong Kong, people with alot of money and comfortable lives in HK. I think that say, a person coming from a wartorn or economically down country should get right of way over a rich person from hong kong.
2. Do you feel that American culture has benefited from immigration??? Do you feel that immigration has been a bad thing? Well i dont live in America, but from what i see on looking in, the american culture seems to be patriotic, and only american. i dont really see any diversity in the images of american life put through the media, and once america was referred to by my socials teacher as the "melting pot".
3. Do you feel that illegal immigration has been a problem? California recently passed a law banning illegal immigrants from receiving welfare benefits. Do you agree with this? Could more be done similar to this law? Well, i guess illegal immigration is a problem. I think that banning welfare for illegal immigrants is only fair, because isnt welfare provided to citizens? Technically illegal's arent.4.
NY state recently had a politician propose that illegal immigrants should be allowed to vote, is this right? What about "legal" immigrants that are here working, but are not citizens.....should they be allowed to vote? Yes. Because even if they arent citizens, things politicians do affect them as equally as a citizen. Also, getting citizenship is very difficult, and is a long process.
2. Do you feel that American culture has benefited from immigration??? Do you feel that immigration has been a bad thing? Well i dont live in America, but from what i see on looking in, the american culture seems to be patriotic, and only american. i dont really see any diversity in the images of american life put through the media, and once america was referred to by my socials teacher as the "melting pot".
3. Do you feel that illegal immigration has been a problem? California recently passed a law banning illegal immigrants from receiving welfare benefits. Do you agree with this? Could more be done similar to this law? Well, i guess illegal immigration is a problem. I think that banning welfare for illegal immigrants is only fair, because isnt welfare provided to citizens? Technically illegal's arent.4.
NY state recently had a politician propose that illegal immigrants should be allowed to vote, is this right? What about "legal" immigrants that are here working, but are not citizens.....should they be allowed to vote? Yes. Because even if they arent citizens, things politicians do affect them as equally as a citizen. Also, getting citizenship is very difficult, and is a long process.
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2. Do you feel that American culture has benefited from immigration??? Do you feel that immigration has been a bad thing? Well i dont live in America, but from what i see on looking in, the american culture seems to be patriotic, and only american. i dont really see any diversity in the images of american life put through the media, and once america was referred to by my socials teacher as the "melting pot".
The media only half portrays of what is giong on anywhere. That's definitely not true. There is alot of diversity in America. The best thing about it is, everyone is American and what they were originally, as well. At least, from what I can tell. I think there is alot of culture in America.
I do feel like there needs to be restrictions on who can and cannot come into the country. It's probably really hypocritical because, well, we all came here at one point. But it's out of control. You can't just let everyone in, let them be a burden to society, and then let more in. The sad thing is, we can't even STOP it. Our borders are out of control.
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thanks for the topic man, i love talking about this. i'm gonna answer each question seperately, because my answers are going to long, and no one likes to look at a novel. 
1. Should immigration be restricted?? If yes, should there be a quota put in place?? How much? Should certain types be restricted?
no it shouldn't. the reason being is that around my parts, immigrants get desperate and put their lives on the line to cross. it is a double edged sword though. in the olden days the immigrants that crossed from mexico came to work and make a better life for themselves. that is very much true today, but there are some immiagrants that are comming over with a brick of pot, and are funding their trip accross by selling pot. there have always been a couple of illegals that come over and are violent. but for the most part, they're good honest people that are escaping a deperate situation. some are so desperate that they cross in huge tractor containers. in the summer heat down here, that container will act as an oven, and the coyote crossing them won't give them water or any food. they are well aware of this risk, but nontheless take a chance instead of being stuck. i really don't think there should be a quota, but technically there is one in place. and that's the job market of immigrants. once those jobs have been filled, then there's no reason to come over. No one should be denied to come in also. however there should be an extensive search of their history. (10 years should suffice). any violent, drug, or general illegal behavior depending on the severity should determine whether the person should be allowed in, put on a type of probation, or not allowed.
1. Should immigration be restricted?? If yes, should there be a quota put in place?? How much? Should certain types be restricted?
no it shouldn't. the reason being is that around my parts, immigrants get desperate and put their lives on the line to cross. it is a double edged sword though. in the olden days the immigrants that crossed from mexico came to work and make a better life for themselves. that is very much true today, but there are some immiagrants that are comming over with a brick of pot, and are funding their trip accross by selling pot. there have always been a couple of illegals that come over and are violent. but for the most part, they're good honest people that are escaping a deperate situation. some are so desperate that they cross in huge tractor containers. in the summer heat down here, that container will act as an oven, and the coyote crossing them won't give them water or any food. they are well aware of this risk, but nontheless take a chance instead of being stuck. i really don't think there should be a quota, but technically there is one in place. and that's the job market of immigrants. once those jobs have been filled, then there's no reason to come over. No one should be denied to come in also. however there should be an extensive search of their history. (10 years should suffice). any violent, drug, or general illegal behavior depending on the severity should determine whether the person should be allowed in, put on a type of probation, or not allowed.
Whenever death may surprise us,
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
2. Do you feel that American culture has benefited from immigration??? Do you feel that immigration has been a bad thing?
absolutely. you have to remember one thing. immigrants have come from a situation that was desperate or unfavorable for development. the people comming over that work hard and honestly for their pay don't take for granted their new found liberties. when they have children, those children will know full well the sacrifices that their parents made, the risk they took on providing them a brighter future. i have yet to meet a child of an immigrant that was stuck up and took what is his for granted. i know guys in college that are bright and study extensively, soley on the grounds that if their parents did not come to this country, they wouldn't have the chance to educate themselves. they're fully aware that when your educated, no one can uneducate you, and that if your given a place to stand, you can and will move the world. One family i know of in particular, lived under a tree when they crossed over. the man went house to house and asked people if he could park his truck under a tree and he would pay to use the bathroom and shower. the man was allowed to live under the tree and paid 1/2 of the household's water bill. he had a little grill where he would make food for his family. and he was happy, happier then in mexico. since then he's gotten a house and his children are grown, but he remembers those days under the tree and doesn't take for granted that he was given a place to feed his children, a job, and a spot in the world that he called home, even if it was a spot under a tree.
immigration is not a bad thing. sometimes it brings drugs into this country, but the demand fuels the supply. as long as immigrants are working, and their pay is being taxed, then there is no problem.
i'm gonna add a little more here. the US is taking advantage of immigrants. both legal and illegal. you know their former situation, it was bad. no rights, little to no federal help. federal programs are foriegn to many of them. as it is right now, the average american, who was born in this country and has lived here all his life, is not aware of billions of dollars in grants, tax write offs, and federal aid that they are eligible to recieve. taxes pay for these programs yet the average taxpayer does not take advantage. the same situation is happening with immigrants. there are some that come over, raise their child and pay for their child's college. cash, without the assistance of financial aid, yet, their taxes pay for that. In Dallas Texas alone, Mexican Imigrants sent off 4 BILLION dollars back to family in Mexico last year. and that is 4 BILLION that comes from checking accounts and money orders. many mexican immigrants correspond to their families back in mexico daily. they write letters and send money enclosed everyday. that 4 billion does not account for that. so that's 4+ BILLION that was earned, taxed, cleared, and sent off by the individual employee. and in return some immigrants only ask that their child go to school. some don't even bring their families, instead with the money sent home they send their child to a private school in Mexico. you have individuals that have their pay taxed and not recieve any federal aid in any way.....that is absolute pure income tax revenue for the government. that helps pay financial aid, and builds roads and makes up for fund shortages in federal programs.
absolutely. you have to remember one thing. immigrants have come from a situation that was desperate or unfavorable for development. the people comming over that work hard and honestly for their pay don't take for granted their new found liberties. when they have children, those children will know full well the sacrifices that their parents made, the risk they took on providing them a brighter future. i have yet to meet a child of an immigrant that was stuck up and took what is his for granted. i know guys in college that are bright and study extensively, soley on the grounds that if their parents did not come to this country, they wouldn't have the chance to educate themselves. they're fully aware that when your educated, no one can uneducate you, and that if your given a place to stand, you can and will move the world. One family i know of in particular, lived under a tree when they crossed over. the man went house to house and asked people if he could park his truck under a tree and he would pay to use the bathroom and shower. the man was allowed to live under the tree and paid 1/2 of the household's water bill. he had a little grill where he would make food for his family. and he was happy, happier then in mexico. since then he's gotten a house and his children are grown, but he remembers those days under the tree and doesn't take for granted that he was given a place to feed his children, a job, and a spot in the world that he called home, even if it was a spot under a tree.
immigration is not a bad thing. sometimes it brings drugs into this country, but the demand fuels the supply. as long as immigrants are working, and their pay is being taxed, then there is no problem.
i'm gonna add a little more here. the US is taking advantage of immigrants. both legal and illegal. you know their former situation, it was bad. no rights, little to no federal help. federal programs are foriegn to many of them. as it is right now, the average american, who was born in this country and has lived here all his life, is not aware of billions of dollars in grants, tax write offs, and federal aid that they are eligible to recieve. taxes pay for these programs yet the average taxpayer does not take advantage. the same situation is happening with immigrants. there are some that come over, raise their child and pay for their child's college. cash, without the assistance of financial aid, yet, their taxes pay for that. In Dallas Texas alone, Mexican Imigrants sent off 4 BILLION dollars back to family in Mexico last year. and that is 4 BILLION that comes from checking accounts and money orders. many mexican immigrants correspond to their families back in mexico daily. they write letters and send money enclosed everyday. that 4 billion does not account for that. so that's 4+ BILLION that was earned, taxed, cleared, and sent off by the individual employee. and in return some immigrants only ask that their child go to school. some don't even bring their families, instead with the money sent home they send their child to a private school in Mexico. you have individuals that have their pay taxed and not recieve any federal aid in any way.....that is absolute pure income tax revenue for the government. that helps pay financial aid, and builds roads and makes up for fund shortages in federal programs.
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Whenever death may surprise us,
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
3. Do you feel that illegal immigration has been a problem? California recently passed a law banning illegal immigrants from receiving welfare benefits. Do you agree with this? Could more be done similar to this law?
you know it can be a problem. but the government knowingly lets people come in illegally. the border security down here is tight. but in the department of people comming over, it's extremely lax. i can see how the inflow can be a little too much sometimes. i understand where california is comming from with this new law. and this is ok. if the funds aren't there ok fine, no welfare benifits. however, i think it is extremely important that an illegal immigrant's child should be allowed to go to a public school IF the illegal is working and his pay is being taxed. any other benifits like medicaid and other government programs can be taken away for all i care, just as long as the kid goes to school. the only thing i find ironic about it is that look who signed this new law....he himself a foriegner.
you know it can be a problem. but the government knowingly lets people come in illegally. the border security down here is tight. but in the department of people comming over, it's extremely lax. i can see how the inflow can be a little too much sometimes. i understand where california is comming from with this new law. and this is ok. if the funds aren't there ok fine, no welfare benifits. however, i think it is extremely important that an illegal immigrant's child should be allowed to go to a public school IF the illegal is working and his pay is being taxed. any other benifits like medicaid and other government programs can be taken away for all i care, just as long as the kid goes to school. the only thing i find ironic about it is that look who signed this new law....he himself a foriegner.
Whenever death may surprise us,
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
4. NY state recently had a politician propose that illegal immigrants should be allowed to vote, is this right? What about "legal" immigrants that are here working, but are not citizens.....should they be allowed to vote?
illegal no, i dont think they should have a right to vote, unless, they have work, and their pay is taxed, then yes. anyone that pays taxes and has an address that is in a district should have a right to vote. remember, the american revolution was started by taxation without representation. if your taxing someones pay, and they are not given the right to vote, that is taxation without representation. that goes against everything this country has ever stood for. if you think they shouldn't get the vote, ok don't tax them. however for the opportunity to work and live in this country, you should pay a one time or annual fee.
illegal no, i dont think they should have a right to vote, unless, they have work, and their pay is taxed, then yes. anyone that pays taxes and has an address that is in a district should have a right to vote. remember, the american revolution was started by taxation without representation. if your taxing someones pay, and they are not given the right to vote, that is taxation without representation. that goes against everything this country has ever stood for. if you think they shouldn't get the vote, ok don't tax them. however for the opportunity to work and live in this country, you should pay a one time or annual fee.
Whenever death may surprise us,
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
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Re: Debate: Immigration
1. Should immigration be restricted?? I don't think so. I've never lived in an area suffering from overpopulation though. I do think you should be able to contribute to the country's economy, obey the country's laws, and not have a criminal record.
2. Do you feel that American culture has benefited from immigration? Um, the vast majority of us came from immigrant roots. As far as new immigrants, I currently attend university in an area where just a few minutes south of here, the ability to speak Spanish is highly valued. In Grand Rapids, they have a Hispanic festival every year. Before I went to one of those, I had no idea what real Mexican food tasted like. It's a wonderful learning experience and I have no idea why people wouldn't want to know how others live.
3. Do you feel that illegal immigration has been a problem? I think it has been a problem because people have forgotten what they learned about sharing with others in preschool. We tend to discriminate against people who don't have as much money, which definitely shouldn't happen. My opinion is that if someone wants to move here, money shouldn't matter as long as they're willing to work.
4. NY state recently had a politician propose that illegal immigrants should be allowed to vote, is this right? What about "legal" immigrants that are here working, but are not citizens.....should they be allowed to vote?
Again, like everyone else- if you get taxed, you ought to be able to vote.
2. Do you feel that American culture has benefited from immigration? Um, the vast majority of us came from immigrant roots. As far as new immigrants, I currently attend university in an area where just a few minutes south of here, the ability to speak Spanish is highly valued. In Grand Rapids, they have a Hispanic festival every year. Before I went to one of those, I had no idea what real Mexican food tasted like. It's a wonderful learning experience and I have no idea why people wouldn't want to know how others live.
3. Do you feel that illegal immigration has been a problem? I think it has been a problem because people have forgotten what they learned about sharing with others in preschool. We tend to discriminate against people who don't have as much money, which definitely shouldn't happen. My opinion is that if someone wants to move here, money shouldn't matter as long as they're willing to work.
4. NY state recently had a politician propose that illegal immigrants should be allowed to vote, is this right? What about "legal" immigrants that are here working, but are not citizens.....should they be allowed to vote?
Again, like everyone else- if you get taxed, you ought to be able to vote.
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The problem is, alot of them aren't willing to work. People are always writing to the paper here, people of Hispanic descent and have been here for 30+ years. They don't want more immigrants coming in, whether they're of the same descent or not, and not working. Bringing drugs and violence and more burden on them financially, anymore than the next Joe.
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70 x 7 wrote:2. Do you feel that American culture has benefited from immigration??? Do you feel that immigration has been a bad thing? Well i dont live in America, but from what i see on looking in, the american culture seems to be patriotic, and only american. i dont really see any diversity in the images of american life put through the media, and once america was referred to by my socials teacher as the "melting pot".
The media only half portrays of what is giong on anywhere. That's definitely not true. There is alot of diversity in America. The best thing about it is, everyone is American and what they were originally, as well. At least, from what I can tell. I think there is alot of culture in America.
I do feel like there needs to be restrictions on who can and cannot come into the country. It's probably really hypocritical because, well, we all came here at one point. But it's out of control. You can't just let everyone in, let them be a burden to society, and then let more in. The sad thing is, we can't even STOP it. Our borders are out of control.
thats very true.
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Oh god... we watched this *awful* documentary in Canadian History about our immigration policies. Basically, they were comparing how hard it is to get into Canada for people from different parts of the world, and it literally made me feel ill.
The filmmakers went to two places, Hong Kong, and a refugee camp in Africa. In Africa, everyone was focused on how incredibly hard it was to get to go to Canada. Most people weren't even considered, but one guy, who had taught himself English in six months while living at the camp, (and sounded like he was practically college educated in the language) was asked back for about five interviews. Each time, he came across as such a hard-working, intelligent guy that could contribute so much to Canada. In the end, they rejected him. The whole class was incensed... even the really conservative kids who were all for blocking off immigration entirely. This man would clearly have been so proud to be Canadian, and a credit to the country.
Then they went over to Hong Kong, and everyone with a little money was invited over. The more money, the better, because they'd invest it in the economy. One family was supposed to be settled in a really little town... Weyburn or Kindersley, I think. Somewhere in Saskatchewan. Anyway, they bought a restaurant from this elderly couple who wanted to retire, and put down a payment of about twenty or thirty thousand dollars. So the couple went and bought a house in Saskatoon, only to find that the Hong Kong family had no intention of *actually* buying their restaurant. They were just looking at that money as the price to get into Canada.
We also had to do this little simulation where some of us took on the roles of immigration lawyers representing made up clients, and the rest would decide whether or not to let the person into the country. One guy, a carpet merchant from Thailand, had 300 thousand dollars he was willing to invest. And over he came, although there were some suspicions about his background in "da-rug" trade. Another, a South African cardiologist willing to work in a smaller community, made it easily. Which no one had a problem with until we found out that the guy had neo-Nazi ties.
I would hope the *real* govt would find stuff like that out, of course. But we applied the thinking we'd observed in the documentary and research we'd done on our own... you have to wonder how much of what we decided would actually have happened in real life.
The filmmakers went to two places, Hong Kong, and a refugee camp in Africa. In Africa, everyone was focused on how incredibly hard it was to get to go to Canada. Most people weren't even considered, but one guy, who had taught himself English in six months while living at the camp, (and sounded like he was practically college educated in the language) was asked back for about five interviews. Each time, he came across as such a hard-working, intelligent guy that could contribute so much to Canada. In the end, they rejected him. The whole class was incensed... even the really conservative kids who were all for blocking off immigration entirely. This man would clearly have been so proud to be Canadian, and a credit to the country.
Then they went over to Hong Kong, and everyone with a little money was invited over. The more money, the better, because they'd invest it in the economy. One family was supposed to be settled in a really little town... Weyburn or Kindersley, I think. Somewhere in Saskatchewan. Anyway, they bought a restaurant from this elderly couple who wanted to retire, and put down a payment of about twenty or thirty thousand dollars. So the couple went and bought a house in Saskatoon, only to find that the Hong Kong family had no intention of *actually* buying their restaurant. They were just looking at that money as the price to get into Canada.
We also had to do this little simulation where some of us took on the roles of immigration lawyers representing made up clients, and the rest would decide whether or not to let the person into the country. One guy, a carpet merchant from Thailand, had 300 thousand dollars he was willing to invest. And over he came, although there were some suspicions about his background in "da-rug" trade. Another, a South African cardiologist willing to work in a smaller community, made it easily. Which no one had a problem with until we found out that the guy had neo-Nazi ties.
I would hope the *real* govt would find stuff like that out, of course. But we applied the thinking we'd observed in the documentary and research we'd done on our own... you have to wonder how much of what we decided would actually have happened in real life.
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