Hey all you political nutmegs:
In your opinion, what qualities would make a President successful? What president, if any, so far has been successful?
Ponder me this...
Ponder me this...
Hatred is gained as much by good works as by evil. - Niccoló Machiavelli
I don't think a president should try to make everyone happy. That's not his job. His job is to uphold the Constitution to ensure that everyone has the chance to be happy. To make sure that people have the rights they should, as well as a means to react peacefully when those rights are violated to get them back.
You can't go around building a better world for people. Only people can build a better world for people. Otherwise it's just a cage.
--Terry Pratchett
When it's cold I'd like to die
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When it's cold I'd like to die
Narbus wrote:I don't think a president should try to make everyone happy. That's not his job. His job is to uphold the Constitution to ensure that everyone has the chance to be happy. To make sure that people have the rights they should, as well as a means to react peacefully when those rights are violated to get them back.
Do you feel there is any past/current President that has done an acceptional job of this?
Hatred is gained as much by good works as by evil. - Niccoló Machiavelli
i totally agree with Narbus, and if you read over what he said Bush has broken just about every single thing that makes a good president, not to mention tons of things not mentioned.
Clinton was pretty good, sure he wasn't perfect, no one is. But at least he did a decent job.
Clinton was pretty good, sure he wasn't perfect, no one is. But at least he did a decent job.
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
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if your talking about the sex thing, that was pretty stupid.
But that doesn't make him a bad president. He made a bad moral choice but it doesn't affect the nation. Running the deficit into the ground does.
The old prime minister of Israel, Benjamin Natenyahu ran in to this. But he didn't lie like Clinton did (which was REALLY stupid). He basically said what I said above, that personal decisions moral or immoral don't affect him as a good leader, and he was pretty much left alone after that.
But that doesn't make him a bad president. He made a bad moral choice but it doesn't affect the nation. Running the deficit into the ground does.
The old prime minister of Israel, Benjamin Natenyahu ran in to this. But he didn't lie like Clinton did (which was REALLY stupid). He basically said what I said above, that personal decisions moral or immoral don't affect him as a good leader, and he was pretty much left alone after that.
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He was probably the most republican democrat on record, but oh well, I felt he did a pretty good job.
Really I have no clue what would make a good US president only because I'm not from the States. I know, as an outsider, what I'd like to see... but I think what outsiders would like to see is a lot different then what Americans want.
Really I have no clue what would make a good US president only because I'm not from the States. I know, as an outsider, what I'd like to see... but I think what outsiders would like to see is a lot different then what Americans want.
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
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"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
I disagree. Saying Americans DON'T want what everyone else want is a bit of a generalization. I've met people from other countries in person and we hold the same values.
And are you sure clinton was a conservative democrat? because I'd have to give that award to Johnson.
now my post makes sense
And are you sure clinton was a conservative democrat? because I'd have to give that award to Johnson.
now my post makes sense
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hpdfk wrote:I disagree. Saying Americans want what everyone else want is a bit of a generalization. I've met people from other countries in person and we hold the same values.
And are you sure clinton was a conservative democrat? because I'd have to give that award to Johnson.
I don't know who was more republican, I'm just saying that he was a pretty right leaning democrat.
There's a difference between values, and issues within a country.
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
Well I know for a fact that Canadian values are different, especially since we have universal health care, and are far less conservative (i.e. decriminalization of marijuana, and legalization of same-sex marriages, which has begun in a few provinces)
When Canada calls an election soon, issues such as border security, and immigration policies aren't going to be brought up.
When Canada calls an election soon, issues such as border security, and immigration policies aren't going to be brought up.
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
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