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I'd just like to point out that Paula Simmons implies that Kilgour is putting his cabinet career ahead of his principles.
That is a classic example of a liberal journalist using doublespeak and implication to negatively reflect on an individual.
Kilgour's position is contrary to the position of his government. As he points out in the article, he could be thrown out of cabinet for continuing to stick to his principles.
this type of writing is debasing the english language. Simmons couldn't get the facts to make the point she wanted, so she used implicating language to do it.
tsk tsk.
David Kilgour on same-sex marriage in canada
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I can see how woman can life other woman, i mean comon, a chick seeing britney spears on tv and nopt wanting her, but being a guy i couldnt imagine seeing a hairy ass and wanting to get up in it......aukk....but i respect it, do what yah want to do, and if they allow being gay, they should allow marriages.
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THe article sounds like an editorial.............
I am wondering why Kilgour has these views? They seem ultra conservative and paranoid. I don't know what gay people see either, but as human beings they should be allowed to form sexual relationships with competent individuals (whatever the law says I guess passes as "competent") Just because I don't see what they see doesn't mean its wrong........I think its the mutual feeling.........and that scares people.
Marriage is part of intimacy and family.......a way of forging a cohesive family structure in some senses. I'm just wondering if gay's are suppose to be rogues........if they get married, why on earth would they resort to polygamy and incest...........being gay I don't think just means its one wild orgy..........anyways, that article did have a weird slant to it like you mentioned Doug..........at least Kilgour was quoted.....so we can form some opinion.
A lot of people seemed opposed to gay marriage, but I myself am not really sure why? I haven't read that much on it basically because it does not involve me that deeply (I'm an ignorant hetero) Anyone want to enlighten me?
I am wondering why Kilgour has these views? They seem ultra conservative and paranoid. I don't know what gay people see either, but as human beings they should be allowed to form sexual relationships with competent individuals (whatever the law says I guess passes as "competent") Just because I don't see what they see doesn't mean its wrong........I think its the mutual feeling.........and that scares people.
Marriage is part of intimacy and family.......a way of forging a cohesive family structure in some senses. I'm just wondering if gay's are suppose to be rogues........if they get married, why on earth would they resort to polygamy and incest...........being gay I don't think just means its one wild orgy..........anyways, that article did have a weird slant to it like you mentioned Doug..........at least Kilgour was quoted.....so we can form some opinion.
A lot of people seemed opposed to gay marriage, but I myself am not really sure why? I haven't read that much on it basically because it does not involve me that deeply (I'm an ignorant hetero) Anyone want to enlighten me?
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I don't know if they happen from where you are all from (there should be regional or provincals in canada) but I was at a youth parliment session a little while ago and this was the subject of one of the resolutions.
I have to say that I am likely the most bias person that will have this opinion here because I have a step-sister that is a lesbian and my Dad is a lawyer for a case involving priests suxually abusing kids. So I have a lot of "experience"
To be honest, I don't think that same sex marrage should be legalized. Right now, there is such a pressure on people to be politically correct that its hard to find anyone that is admitingly homophobic in general society. But that isnt what peoples actual opinions are. A lot of people in older generations were taught that this is wrong. And its hard to think otherwise. And if that is part of someones belifes its going to be hard for them to change it. My point is that there is such a push on this right now that half the country wants same sex marrages to be legalized! and the other half has an opinion that isnt being herd. I think this needs to stop being a pop-culture issue before it can be concidered serious.
The other thing that was brought up in the artical and in my youth parliment is the idea of polygamy and incest. That is so far fetched it isn't funny. I really think its a cover for people to oppose this proposition without sounding homophobic. But that isn't my point. The thing is, the reason same sex marriges is being concidered is because same sex relationship have become socially acceptable and we want to grant people that right. If you haven't noticed, polygamy and incest are not even slightly socially acceptable! There is a small city in BC that has a record for polygamy. Did anyone know that at random? Not many because it isnt even accepted in the media. The idea that same-sex marriges will lead to polygamy completly ridiculous. We did grow to accept homosexuality but polygamy is essentially a human rights violation and that is not acceptable. As for incest, is also pretty far fetched concidering its become a social "jerry springer" joke. I also believe (not positive) that there are studies that prove genetic mutations and birth defects to children of incestual couples. How can something that is proven to be dangerious like that become legal? Same sex marrige can be argued that it isnt hurting anyone. Incest would be.
sorry that was so long but I needed to get my rant out of the way.
I have to say that I am likely the most bias person that will have this opinion here because I have a step-sister that is a lesbian and my Dad is a lawyer for a case involving priests suxually abusing kids. So I have a lot of "experience"
To be honest, I don't think that same sex marrage should be legalized. Right now, there is such a pressure on people to be politically correct that its hard to find anyone that is admitingly homophobic in general society. But that isnt what peoples actual opinions are. A lot of people in older generations were taught that this is wrong. And its hard to think otherwise. And if that is part of someones belifes its going to be hard for them to change it. My point is that there is such a push on this right now that half the country wants same sex marrages to be legalized! and the other half has an opinion that isnt being herd. I think this needs to stop being a pop-culture issue before it can be concidered serious.
The other thing that was brought up in the artical and in my youth parliment is the idea of polygamy and incest. That is so far fetched it isn't funny. I really think its a cover for people to oppose this proposition without sounding homophobic. But that isn't my point. The thing is, the reason same sex marriges is being concidered is because same sex relationship have become socially acceptable and we want to grant people that right. If you haven't noticed, polygamy and incest are not even slightly socially acceptable! There is a small city in BC that has a record for polygamy. Did anyone know that at random? Not many because it isnt even accepted in the media. The idea that same-sex marriges will lead to polygamy completly ridiculous. We did grow to accept homosexuality but polygamy is essentially a human rights violation and that is not acceptable. As for incest, is also pretty far fetched concidering its become a social "jerry springer" joke. I also believe (not positive) that there are studies that prove genetic mutations and birth defects to children of incestual couples. How can something that is proven to be dangerious like that become legal? Same sex marrige can be argued that it isnt hurting anyone. Incest would be.
sorry that was so long but I needed to get my rant out of the way.
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Love is love .. same sex marriages should be legalized 
Whether love occurs between a man and a woman or 2 women or 2 men .. meh, who are we to say whether it's right or wrong? As long as it's a healthy relationship and they're happy, it's no different then a man and a woman getting married.
Whether love occurs between a man and a woman or 2 women or 2 men .. meh, who are we to say whether it's right or wrong? As long as it's a healthy relationship and they're happy, it's no different then a man and a woman getting married.
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what i always wondered is, why do people even care? As long as both are happy and of legal age and giving consent, who cares? I don't have to live with another man, so how does it effect me? What i think is that deep sown people just pretend not to be homophobic, the real reason they dont' want it is because they find it offensive to see a gay couple, or live near one. that's the truth the way i see it. Live and let live is teh way i see it, and it's fairly obvious that these people did not choose to be this way seeing as how no one in their right mind woudl do something so socially devastating to themselves just for kicks. So i spose if you believe in god you also have to believe god made them this way. So as i said before live and let live
.........now if there's gay sex in my backyard THEN we get uptight about the gays i live next door to
besides a woman enjoying the inherent beauty of another woman is a beautiful thing
.........now if there's gay sex in my backyard THEN we get uptight about the gays i live next door to
besides a woman enjoying the inherent beauty of another woman is a beautiful thing
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Unfortunately, the people I've talked to who have religious beliefs all see homosexuality as a DECISION to "give in to temptation", and are in fact purposely going against God's will by not restraining themselves and behaving heterosexually. Of course, I think that's a total crock - if homosexuality were a choice, we wouldn't have teenagers hanging themselves instead of facing the act of telling their parents.
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happeningfish wrote:I've talked to who have religious beliefs all see homosexuality as a DECISION to "give in to temptation", and are in fact purposely going against God's will by not restraining themselves and behaving heterosexually.
Are these religious folk claiming they've resisted this temptation......or felt the temptaion at all??? Because that would suggest they might want to be truthful with themselves about a few things........ "How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
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yes i know alex, i was just pointing out something humerous in the classic way of Christian thought........the way they talk about it, it almost says that they themselves have a sexual orientation problem......or they're talking out of their asses
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
we're all bigots. the word bigot simply means someone who is strongly partial to their own group or viewpoint, and intolerant of the views of others. anybody whose going to trash christians for their anti-gay and "bigoted" points of view is in fact behaving as a bigot as well.
the point of my starting the thread was to bash Paula Simmons for her bullshit writing and maybe talk about the problem journalists have these days with keeping their own shit out of their supposedly neutral articles.
most all of us agree that gays should be permitted to marry. the better question here is, should paula simmons be permitted to keep writing?
the point of my starting the thread was to bash Paula Simmons for her bullshit writing and maybe talk about the problem journalists have these days with keeping their own shit out of their supposedly neutral articles.
most all of us agree that gays should be permitted to marry. the better question here is, should paula simmons be permitted to keep writing?
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i'd say no, but then again we all have freedom of speech, even if that speech smeels like it came from our ass
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
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ahhh yes, the deep void of journalistic integrity.......
I found Simmons too opinionated. Aren't articles suppose to refrain from bias, and merely report the news and sides to the arguement. The point is to let the reader decide. Not for her to possibly taint the context of the quotes and flood it with her own personal feelings. It felt like something out of a community college newspaper as opposed to a true professional. Is she a columnist?? As soon as she took the "I had a chat with him, here's what he said" routine she seemed to resemble the gossipy and morally judgemental Mrs. Lovejoy (Wife of Reverend Lovejoy) from the Simpsons.
Anyone interested in seeing "Shattered Glass"...........the movie about a journalist who's fantasy stories sounded so good people bought them....and of course got caught. Just like that Blair character.
Doug, you are such a bigot!! The word loses meaning when you get your dirty little paws on it.
I found Simmons too opinionated. Aren't articles suppose to refrain from bias, and merely report the news and sides to the arguement. The point is to let the reader decide. Not for her to possibly taint the context of the quotes and flood it with her own personal feelings. It felt like something out of a community college newspaper as opposed to a true professional. Is she a columnist?? As soon as she took the "I had a chat with him, here's what he said" routine she seemed to resemble the gossipy and morally judgemental Mrs. Lovejoy (Wife of Reverend Lovejoy) from the Simpsons.
Anyone interested in seeing "Shattered Glass"...........the movie about a journalist who's fantasy stories sounded so good people bought them....and of course got caught. Just like that Blair character.
Doug, you are such a bigot!!
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Joey wrote:Love is love .. same sex marriages should be legalized
Clumsyboy wrote:what i always wondered is, why do people even care? As long as both are happy and of legal age and giving consent, who cares?
Not to be really mean or anything, but you just said exactally what the artical is responding to.
Well, the incest/polygamy thing anyway.
If love is love and why should anyone care if they are concenting adults then why do we care if a mother and child (as concenting adults) get married? Or more then a couple of people that want to get married. If love is love and it doesnt affect us, then it should all be legalized.
well that was their point.
The thing is, you have to draw the line somewhere whether you want to or not. Otherwise it WILL lead to incest and polygamy. This is exactally why its a controvertial topic, and that things need to be incredably specific.
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I said same same sex marriages should be legalized .. not marriages between mother and child .. a couple in love should be allowed to be married (providing it's a marriage between 2 consenting adults, as is the norm now), incest is a whole other issue
Big difference ..
Big difference ..
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not really.
when you say that a couple in love should be allowed to marry you really start to tread on thin water.
thats why laws were specified in the first place.
when you say that a couple in love should be allowed to marry you really start to tread on thin water.
thats why laws were specified in the first place.
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Well that's a big difference to me .. I don't see the comparison between a couple in love getting married, and incest .. meh .. whatever.
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I wanna say, I really don't mean to defend this guy very much cause I don't think what he is saying is accurate. I am more arguing for the sake of arguing. So yeah...don't think that I am some crazy psycho bitch against everyone being married.
The link to polygamy was basically this - if we are allowing any concenting adults to get married then whats next? many concenting adults? why does marrage have to be limited to two people? if it isnt limited to opposite sex then it shouldnt be limited to two partners.
The link to polygamy was basically this - if we are allowing any concenting adults to get married then whats next? many concenting adults? why does marrage have to be limited to two people? if it isnt limited to opposite sex then it shouldnt be limited to two partners.
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Goodbye you liar,
Well you sipped from the cup but you don't own up to anything
Then you think you will inspire
Take apart your head
(and I wish I could inspire)
Take apart your demons, then you add it to the list.