No more smoking in New York State

Corey · Post by **Corey** » 7/30/2003, 6:18 am

As of July 24, 2003 there is no smoking allowed in any place of employment (restaurants, bars, offices, pool halls, bowling allies, etc, etc) in New York State. At first I didn't like this idea because people who smoke need somewhere they can go and hang out. Now they can only smoke at home or outside. Poor bastards. I have to admit, it was nice coming home from the bar and not smelling like smoke.

Axtech · Post by **Axtech** » 7/30/2003, 6:59 am

We've got the same thing sweeping across Ontario, city by city. It's in effect in Kingston right now, and I find it quite nice. I asked for a side of fries with my cheeseburger, not lung cancer.

Sufjan Stevens · Post by **Sufjan Stevens** » 7/30/2003, 8:18 am

So how long is it until someone hires Johnny Cochran and sues for discrimination against smokers?

starvingeyes · Post by **starvingeyes** » 7/30/2003, 8:33 am

this law is bullshit. any of you who support it, i would like a justification as to why you feel you have the "right" to go to any private establishment and not be "bothered" by secondhand smoke?

because, get this, you don't. you don't have the right to tell the owner of any private establishment what they can or cannot permit on their own fucking property.

i cannot believe the nerve of the state and those who support it. this is really unreal.

superboots · Post by **superboots** » 7/30/2003, 8:34 am

i hate smoking
it makes my head hurt and makes my nose even more stuffed up than it usually is

so yay for new york
when is michigan gonna do this????

starvingeyes · Post by **starvingeyes** » 7/30/2003, 9:14 am

hopefully never. hopefully, the facists in new york will soon be overthrown and their tyranny reversed.

Corey · Post by **Corey** » 7/30/2003, 9:18 am

The rationale is that it is in unjust to submit the workers at these establishments to prolonged inhalation of smoke. It is unhealthy and forced upon them.

mosaik · Post by **mosaik** » 7/30/2003, 9:37 am

they have a law in edmonton against smoking in bars, but thank god our people are free thinking enough to completely disregard it.

starvingeyes · Post by **starvingeyes** » 7/30/2003, 10:10 am

how is it forced on them? why are they at that job, working there? (hint: because they want to be).

no force involved.

areusad831 · Post by **areusad831** » 7/30/2003, 10:18 am

they did this in nassau county (in new york) and it lasted two weeks before it was done away with it. Now the whole state has the law i dont think the same will happen. I am not a fan of smoking but it isnt really fair in my opinion. Resturants have smoking sections and if you are going to a bar you should expect people to be smoking there. More public places such as bowling alleys makes sense but not bars and smoking areas of resturants.

Corey · Post by **Corey** » 7/30/2003, 10:27 am

starving eyes wrote:how is it forced on them? why are they at that job, working there? (hint: because they want to be).

no force involved.

They have no control over how much smoke they inhale. I may want to be a bartender, but that doesn't mean I want to inhale smoke.

PS - I'm not defending the law, I'm merely trying to discuss the motives behind it. That doesn't mean I agree with all of them.

Johnny · Post by **Johnny** » 7/30/2003, 11:36 am

Axtech wrote:We've got the same thing sweeping across Ontario, city by city. It's in effect in Kingston right now, and I find it quite nice. I asked for a side of fries with my cheeseburger, not lung cancer.

Edmonton has that as well. AND it is quite nice having clean air to breathe at a bar and restaurants and such.

mosaik · Post by **mosaik** » 7/30/2003, 11:46 am

all the clubs i go to in Edmonton still have smoking, bylaw or not.

stupid ass bylaw.

Johnny · Post by **Johnny** » 7/30/2003, 11:51 am

Smoking is just plain nasty and incredably disgusting

mosaik · Post by **mosaik** » 7/30/2003, 11:54 am

agreed.

but it's the right of the smoker to determine if they want to smoke or not, and the right of the property owner to determine whether they want smoking to be allowed on their property or not.

Johnny · Post by **Johnny** » 7/30/2003, 11:58 am

exactly.

Its up to the non-smoker as well. He/she can decide for themselves to go into a bar or restauraunt that allows smoking.

mosaik · Post by **mosaik** » 7/30/2003, 12:09 pm

agreed!

so then why do we need the government involved in this at all?

answer: we don't. :nod:

starvingeyes · Post by **starvingeyes** » 7/30/2003, 1:14 pm

Corey wrote:They have no control over how much smoke they inhale. I may want to be a bartender, but that doesn't mean I want to inhale smoke.

yes, but if you decide to be a bartender, you must accept all the risks/discomforts invovled. i may want the army to pay for my college by i don't want to get shot and killed by iraqi guerrillas.

Corey · Post by **Corey** » 7/30/2003, 3:52 pm

That's an excellent point.

starvingeyes · Post by **starvingeyes** » 7/30/2003, 4:17 pm

truly. in short, banning shit sucks. booo on new york and edmonton.