The CM and BBTS

nelison · Post by **nelison** » 8/1/2006, 3:11 pm

Is it just me or is it kind of pathetic that two boards exist with the same exact people and pretty much the same threads on both simply because Nikki wanted to have some people banned? I just visited BBTS for the first time and thought it was hilarious to find a mini-CM.

I think it's awfully childish for someone to leave a message board for not getting their own way. I mean maybe I'm wrong but it's only the internet and if you're taking this seriously, maybe it's time to find a new hobby? The fact that someone cannot co-exist on a MESSAGE BOARD with someone else is kind of sad. Some folk really need to get a grip.

Anyways, I'm posting this here because it would apparently get me banned on the BBTS. Apparently they're all about tough Modding (and apparently Matt isn't?). You all are welcome to comment, and pass my thoughts along to the BBTS, but it doesn't matter. I just felt like saying this. Thanks

Hope · Post by **Hope** » 8/1/2006, 3:16 pm

the point of BBTS was so Nikki could ban people?

that is certainly news to me.

as for my thoughts about BBTS FORUM, i think it is pointless because everyone there = everyone here, and it's (intentionally or unintentionally) deducting from the CM. i dunno... its like "i'm pissed off at the CM, let's go play somewhere else" kind of thing, but the two boards are exactly the same, if you ask me.

but I think what faninor josh envisioned was the anti- .net site that had extra material for fans without having to pay, etc. i can understand that. and he's trying to write a very detailed discography, etc, because no other site does that, not even olp.com.

so in short, i think it is a good idea but the forum is kind of pointless.

afealicious · Post by **afealicious** » 8/1/2006, 3:18 pm

the point of the BBTS isn't about Nikki's leaving. it's a little act of rebellion against Ourladypeace.net. click the link on the front page.

Hope · Post by **Hope** » 8/1/2006, 3:19 pm

^ that's correct.

laurel · Post by **laurel** » 8/1/2006, 3:25 pm

but...it's turned into something else. the focus has been taken off of the 'rebellion', and turned into 'the other place for cmers to hang out, cause nikki (and others, i believe?) are there, and not on the cm'

starseed_10 · Post by **starseed_10** » 8/1/2006, 3:58 pm

nope. BBTS is about nikki's little problem and josh and co taking the opportunity for more power than they have here. Otherwise Josh could have easily leaked all his material here, or started a site specifically for it and not intended as a second forum. (which seems pointless to me because he already has the hub)

I agree with everything jim has to say.

nelison · Post by **nelison** » 8/1/2006, 4:01 pm

I just think it's pathetic is all. I understand why Josh started the BBTS and I commend him for doing it, but what it has become (a place where Nikki can post and people can be horny) is an insult to Josh. While I don't miss Nikki, I do think that it's pathetic that two boards consisting of the same people exist.

Random Name · Post by **Random Name** » 8/1/2006, 4:06 pm

I think there is like...one person who posts over there who doesn't post here.

I dont go there much, but when I do I get really annoyed at reading the same crap on two sites. haha.

I think a large part of having the new forum was to bring back olp fans, because we dont really do much talking about the band anymore. But besides some stuff that nikki found, not a whole lot of discussion has gone on.

Hope · Post by **Hope** » 8/1/2006, 4:10 pm

Random Name wrote:
I dont go there much, but when I do I get really annoyed at reading the same crap on two sites. haha.

yeah me too

Random Name · Post by **Random Name** » 8/1/2006, 4:11 pm

Sort of like how they have a thread on the exact same thing, JIM.

nelison · Post by **nelison** » 8/1/2006, 4:20 pm

Random Name wrote:Sort of like how they have a thread on the exact same thing, JIM.

I wrote:Anyways, I'm posting this here because it would apparently get me banned on the BBTS. Apparently they're all about tough Modding (and apparently Matt isn't?). You all are welcome to comment, and pass my thoughts along to the BBTS, but it doesn't matter. I just felt like saying this. Thanks

Hope · Post by **Hope** » 8/1/2006, 4:30 pm

Random Name wrote:Sort of like how they have a thread on the exact same thing, JIM.

where?

Random Name · Post by **Random Name** » 8/1/2006, 4:30 pm

I was kidding. :sugar:

Besides, I didnt think there were enough people over there to let people get banned and the such. I assume Nikki mods the place, but I'd figure thats it. Besides Josh of course...

Kicker774 · Post by **Kicker774** » 8/1/2006, 4:33 pm

I think this topic is pathetic.

It's been noted before that Nikki's reasons for leaving the CM were just that.
Her reasons, not your own. ANything else is heresay and rumors.

Why are we digging up the past?

laurel · Post by **laurel** » 8/1/2006, 4:44 pm

i may get myself into shit for saying this.
the topic itself is not pathetic. what is pathetic is that certain people are running away from a message board because feelings were hurt. in real life, you can't just up and run because things were said against you. yes, action can be taken against the person that was saying things, and that was done here. but you can't just run away from what bothers you! either ignore it, fight the hell out of it, or put up with it.

the cm is not a bad place. there should be no reason to have to recreate the cm minus a few unwanted people. we've all worked things out before on here, and nothing's going to replace the cm. there's a sense of community here that i don't find on bbts. it feels like a little clique over there, with only the well liked ones allowed.

granted, i like bbts, because i like the people from the cm. if the threads from there were transplanted over here, though, i probably wouldn't even notice, as there's no difference.

i guess...there's better ways to work things out. and i think bbts is wonderful for what they're trying to do for our lady peace content, don't get me wrong on that. but...the forum part seems like a place to go if you have a grudge against the cm.

Post by **faninor** » 8/1/2006, 4:51 pm

J-Neli wrote:Is it just me or is it kind of pathetic that two boards exist with the same exact people and pretty much the same threads on both simply because Nikki wanted to have some people banned? I just visited BBTS for the first time and thought it was hilarious to find a mini-CM.

I think it's awfully childish for someone to leave a message board for not getting their own way. I mean maybe I'm wrong but it's only the internet and if you're taking this seriously, maybe it's time to find a new hobby? The fact that someone cannot co-exist on a MESSAGE BOARD with someone else is kind of sad. Some folk really need to get a grip.

Anyways, I'm posting this here because it would apparently get me banned on the BBTS. Apparently they're all about tough Modding (and apparently Matt isn't?). You all are welcome to comment, and pass my thoughts along to the BBTS, but it doesn't matter. I just felt like saying this. Thanks

Well, considering that I own BBTS I guess I should comment on this.

You are entirely wrong. Like, completely off your rocker.

This is why I made bbts: http://www.bringbackthesun.com/bbtsvsolp.php

Originally it was just an interactive discography with no message board, but with how horrible ourladypeace.net was I decided that I could go ahead and try to do correctly some of the other things that UltraStar was attempting to do.

It is not a mini-CM, I would never have created the website simply to have another OLP message board because that would be absolutely pointless.

So far we have the discography, where members can log in and keep track of what CD's they own or find more detailed information than they can on any other OLP site I know of:

http://www.bringbackthesun.com/discogra ... graphy.php

And there's a small download section but I haven't had time to put up most of the content I'd like to be available there:

http://www.bringbackthesun.com/phpBB2/downloads.php

And, well, my other plans for the site are listed a bit on that "what is bringbackthesun.com" page.

I initially installed the message board so that anyone who visits the site and feels like it has an easy way of giving suggestions for the site or contributing to the discography/whatever else. And if people wanted to chat about stuff, that's cool as well, but I don't think there is any need to have two CMs.

And I don't know where you get this idea about BBTS being tough on modding and banning. There are only two administrators (myself and Nikki) and no additional mods... and really I don't think the message board needs two administrators, but she has admin priviledges so that she can help enter information into the discography because she has a lot of CD's that I don't. We've never banned anyone and as far I know nobody's posts have ever been edited or deleted by myself or Nikki.

Hmm, and after having typed that, and then reading the rest of this thread, I can see that you're aware of why I made the site, and that you don't mind the idea of the website, but you were just commenting on the message board specifically. So yeah, I'm aware that it is a little pointless to have two message boards for one band, but at the same time I needed somewhere for people to post additions and corrections to the discography, ideas for the site, feedback, and whatever, and I thought it would make more sense to put that on the same website than on the CM.

What truly is pathetic is OLP/Coalition/UltraStar charging fans $25 for a message board.

Post by **faninor** » 8/1/2006, 5:06 pm

starseed_10 wrote:nope. BBTS is about nikki's little problem and josh and co taking the opportunity for more power than they have here. Otherwise Josh could have easily leaked all his material here, or started a site specifically for it and not intended as a second forum. (which seems pointless to me because he already has the hub)

I agree with everything jim has to say.

Oh so I use BBTS for leaking material? That's news to me.

It is about making a website similar to ourladypeace.net, but without demanding $25 from each fan. Sure I'll put some live material and stuff up, because so does ourladypeace.net, and there are some people out there who just can't figure out how to use Direct Connect for the hub. But the hub is still where I share everything.

Could I have put all this onto the CM? Maybe Matt would've agreed to that, however, it is a little difficult to integrate the different parts of the website that I've made into the message board, and involves working directly with the structure of the site's databases, and I didn't want to risk breaking a somewhat popular forum with a lot of existing content.

And it's funny that you mentioned how I already have the hub, because for a few months I've been thinking about integrating the hub's website into BBTS, since the hub website has a nice tour archive and that would be a logical addition to BBTS. I just haven't decided exactly how I would go about doing that, since the hub website has Silverchair and Pedestrian as well. Also BBTS's server is fairly slow, so I would probably have to get a new host when I join the two sites, but I can't afford that at the moment.

nelison · Post by **nelison** » 8/1/2006, 5:10 pm

I agree completely Josh with charging for a message board. It is very distasteful.

Nikki stated in her thread about the CM on the BBTS that the reason she posts there and not here is because people like Chris and Alan can't post there, and essentially that the modding here is non-existant. If the modding here is non-existant and she won't post, I would assume that BBTS where she does post would have more modding. Now that I know she is an admin, I understand things a lot more. She can do there what she couldn't do here, and that is control who can and cannot participate.

I understand the complexities of why you and Matt couldn't work together to make the CM a more comprehensive website, but I think the reality is that one of the forums is kind of redundant if it weren't for the presence of Nikki who posts a ton. For someone who was so thoroughly involved with the CM, I would think that you would rather the CM regain the status it had before, allowing the BBTS forum to maybe disband and possibly work with Matt to make the CM a more comprehensive site that included the discography, Hub, etc. that you guys worked so hard on.

I just think that one comprehensive site would be a lot more useful to the OLP community and fans who are trying to get into the band than having two so-so sites. If Nikki isn't adult enough to co-exist with people who rarely post, then that's her problem. This message board has always been rather tame compared to many others I have frequented.

afealicious · Post by **afealicious** » 8/1/2006, 5:16 pm

J-Neli wrote:perhaps there is a reason why you and Matt couldn't work together to make the CM a more comprehensive website, but I think the reality is that one of the forums is kind of redundant if it weren't for the presence of Nikki who posts a ton. For someone who was so thoroughly involved with the CM, I would think that you would rather the CM regain the status it had before, allowing the BBTS to maybe disband and possibly work with Matt to make the CM a more comprehensive site that included the discography, Hub, etc. that you guys worked so hard on.

i think i agree with this.

Hope · Post by **Hope** » 8/1/2006, 5:23 pm

Hmmm. i'm not sure if i do. i obviously don't know the technical stuff that Josh has mentioned, but it sounds kind of tricky...

i dunno.

i never saw this thread where nikki complained about chris and alan (who's chris, by the way?) what did she exactly say...

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