RCMP - Fallen Heroes - 4 Officers killed in the line of duty

Smooke · Post by **Smooke** » 3/25/2005, 8:19 pm

MARCH 3RD 2005

Commissioner’s Statement

It is with profound sadness that I confirm that four RCMP members were killed today in service to our country. It is an unprecedented and unspeakable loss. It is a loss far greater than any of us ever want to contemplate, let alone have to acknowledge.

These four sworn members of the RCMP represent the commitment and dedication of all those who work to protect our citizens and communities. Today they went to work not knowing that on this day they would be asked to make the ultimate sacrifice.

Over the past 24 hours, in the small town of Mayerthorpe, Alberta, four men were added to the rolls of the fallen.

There is no real way to express the sorrow and grief that so many will experience in the face of this tragedy.

We can only stand beside the families and loved ones of these brave officers. We can only do our best to understand. To use our hearts and minds to help us accept what has happened.

And yet our work continues, as it must. Today, as every day, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police - alongside local and provincial police forces, with all of our 60,000 men and women officers and in partnership with others in criminal justice, community organizations and government - recommit ourselves to facing and dealing with the criminal activity, violence and corruption that puts our society at risk.

Today the RCMP continued its vigilant effort to detect and dismantle illicit drug manufacturing. And to without stint respond to the call for a drug free Canada.

We know that these are the most serious of challenges, made complicated by the involvement of organized crime, the availability of weapons and the risks posed by individuals who choose the path of violence and destruction over peace and good.

And today we recognize with gratitude and respect that four of our own paid the highest price to fight this fight, to make Canada a safer place for all. With our terrible sadness in loss comes pride too – that such commitment exists, that such promises are kept.

On behalf of the RCMP and the entire police community, I extend our deepest sympathies to the families of these fallen members and to everyone touched by this terrible tragedy.

Our community, our country, grieves with you and commits that we will never forget.

.......... Hey guys

It's with great gratitude that we offer our prayers to ALL POLICE that put their lives on the line to ensure that we live in a safe and secure community and maintain the peace.

I salute and pray for the family of the four fallen RCMP Officers. This was a sad tragedy. All of us Canadians feel for the mourn and loss of Canada's finest!

With love,

Deryk

Johnny · Post by **Johnny** » 3/25/2005, 8:28 pm

Tis a sad day

closeyoureyes · Post by **closeyoureyes** » 3/25/2005, 9:04 pm

happening fish · Post by **happening fish** » 3/25/2005, 10:11 pm

Gimme_Shelter · Post by **Gimme_Shelter** » 3/26/2005, 6:12 am

its almost like they shouldnt have sent out 4 guys with no experience what so ever

happening fish · Post by **happening fish** » 3/26/2005, 12:05 pm

its almost like that's not what happened at all

SpiritualJunkie · Post by **SpiritualJunkie** » 3/26/2005, 12:21 pm

Exactly. Who's to say that the same thing wouldn't have happened had they sent out RCMPs with more experience?

The tragedy was pretty big news here since it took place near Edmonton. I think one of the officers was from here since his memorial was held at the university.

Johnny · Post by **Johnny** » 3/26/2005, 12:49 pm

The entire memorial was held at the Butter Dome.

Gimme_Shelter · Post by **Gimme_Shelter** » 3/26/2005, 2:31 pm

happeningfish wrote:its almost like that's not what happened at all

right, how experienced were they

i mean they knew what kind of person this guy was
he had a long criminal history, impersonating a police officer, sexual assault, unlawful confinement, obstruction of justice, assault with a weapon, and more

Smooke · Post by **Smooke** » 3/26/2005, 4:00 pm

SpiritualJunkie wrote:The tragedy was pretty big news here since it took place near Edmonton. I think one of the officers was from here since his memorial was held at the university.

I was watching that on the news!
and I was proud to see that Police from all over north america were there to offer their respects!

to name a few NYPD, Boston Police, Halifax Regional Police, Toronto Police, etc!

In retrospect experienced/inexperienced police officers or not I respect their courage to actually go out there and do their jobs. One officer was off duty just dropping off an on duty officer at the location. He wasn't in uniform

so he had no chance. These officers didn't know what they were in for because the RCMP treat criminals like people. That has always been their mandate. That's why they are ranked number 1 every year by the United Nations mainly because their community policing is among the best in the world. They treat people like people, not like criminals

And yes, give the police back their powers to treat criminals like criminals. That way things would go a lot easier on the system!

closeyoureyes · Post by **closeyoureyes** » 3/26/2005, 6:32 pm

Gimme_Shelter wrote:
happeningfish wrote:its almost like that's not what happened at all

right, how experienced were they

i mean they knew what kind of person this guy was
he had a long criminal history, impersonating a police officer, sexual assault, unlawful confinement, obstruction of justice, assault with a weapon, and more

How can you, in ANY WAY, try to say "Well its their own fault for sending out inexperienced police officers"

It wouldnt have fucking mattered, because the guy who did the shooting was like, in stealth with machine guns, like crawling through a field to get to them.

A cop with 20 years experience still wouldnt have been able to see into the future.

You should think before you say things.

Smooke · Post by **Smooke** » 3/27/2005, 7:35 am

BSB_fan_forever73 wrote:How can you, in ANY WAY, try to say "Well its their own fault for sending out inexperienced police officers"

It wouldnt have fucking mattered, because the guy who did the shooting was like, in stealth with machine guns, like crawling through a field to get to them.

A cop with 20 years experience still wouldnt have been able to see into the future.

You should think before you say things.

reza · Post by **reza** » 3/27/2005, 11:22 am

BSB_fan_forever73 wrote:
Gimme_Shelter wrote:
happeningfish wrote:its almost like that's not what happened at all

right, how experienced were they

i mean they knew what kind of person this guy was
he had a long criminal history, impersonating a police officer, sexual assault, unlawful confinement, obstruction of justice, assault with a weapon, and more

How can you, in ANY WAY, try to say "Well its their own fault for sending out inexperienced police officers"

It wouldnt have fucking mattered, because the guy who did the shooting was like, in stealth with machine guns, like crawling through a field to get to them.

A cop with 20 years experience still wouldnt have been able to see into the future.

You should think before you say things.

You totally just said everything I was about to when I read that post.

Gimme_Shelter · Post by **Gimme_Shelter** » 3/27/2005, 12:08 pm

BSB_fan_forever73 wrote:
Gimme_Shelter wrote:
happeningfish wrote:its almost like that's not what happened at all

right, how experienced were they

i mean they knew what kind of person this guy was
he had a long criminal history, impersonating a police officer, sexual assault, unlawful confinement, obstruction of justice, assault with a weapon, and more

How can you, in ANY WAY, try to say "Well its their own fault for sending out inexperienced police officers"

It wouldnt have fucking mattered, because the guy who did the shooting was like, in stealth with machine guns, like crawling through a field to get to them.

A cop with 20 years experience still wouldnt have been able to see into the future.

You should think before you say things.

and maybe you should all learn to read because i dont know where i once said it was their own fault

closeyoureyes · Post by **closeyoureyes** » 3/27/2005, 1:50 pm

You totally implied it. :roll:

Lando · Post by **Lando** » 3/29/2005, 4:28 pm

I totally read this thread as HERPES because it's underlined...

And yeah, clearly officers like Special Weapons and Tactics officers or others who've been in a situation with gunfire would have dealt with it differently and it would have mattered. There were Rookies there, of course the events couldn't be predicted, but an experienced officer would have been able to deal with the situation differently. I mean he can't shoot 4 bullets at once, so they all didn't die at the same time.

It's not really anyone's fault except for the killer's that lives were lost, but there is a large probability that if the officers were experienced or trained specifically for a hostile situation there would have been a different outcome.

closeyoureyes · Post by **closeyoureyes** » 3/29/2005, 6:24 pm

Did you not read what happened?
He snuck into the barn, or the building the cops were in, on the ground, with machine guns. He had to crawl through a field.

I dont see how a more experienced police officer could foresee the future.

Gimme_Shelter · Post by **Gimme_Shelter** » 3/30/2005, 3:56 am

alright well if it makes no difference then why even bother training the cops at all

experience doesnt matter......... right

closeyoureyes · Post by **closeyoureyes** » 3/31/2005, 4:48 pm

Experience does matter, that isnt what i'm arguing. What i'm saying is, in THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION, Did you get that?, Experience didnt matter because even with experience, a police officer is not a Seer.

SpiritualJunkie · Post by **SpiritualJunkie** » 4/5/2005, 12:11 am

Well, whether experience mattered in this situation or not now is completely irrelevant since those 4 officers are still dead and their families are mourning.

Man, I can't imagine being a relative of one of those guys and coming across comments like "it's their own fault". :roll: