Fahrenheit 9/11
ya but the government and media only showed us one side too, he showed us the side they didn't show
Queens Of The Stone Age-Someone's In The Wolf
Once you're lost in twillights's blue
You don't find your way, the way finds you...
Tempt the fates, beware the smile
It hides all the teeth, my dear,
What's behind them...
So glad you could stay
Forever
He steps between the trees, a crooked man
There's blood on the blade
Don't take his hand
You warm by the firelight, in twilight's blue
Shadows creep & dance the walls
He's creeping too..
So glad you could stay
Forever
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i think he's just trying to show us some information not trying to convince of us anything, everything he says is true
Queens Of The Stone Age-Someone's In The Wolf
Once you're lost in twillights's blue
You don't find your way, the way finds you...
Tempt the fates, beware the smile
It hides all the teeth, my dear,
What's behind them...
So glad you could stay
Forever
He steps between the trees, a crooked man
There's blood on the blade
Don't take his hand
You warm by the firelight, in twilight's blue
Shadows creep & dance the walls
He's creeping too..
So glad you could stay
Forever
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i highly doubt that everything he says in this movie is true.
just like i highly doubt everything my government says is true.
just like i highly doubt everything my government says is true.
Whenever death may surprise us,
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
BFC was a documentary, and it was full of lies. 
Whenever death may surprise us,
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
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Lando
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Bowling For Columbine.
And sorry, my mistake, there are two classifications both Fictional and Factual (or non-fiction) Documentaries.
However and I'm not sure how it's registered in the USA, but if in a factual documentary you present any untrue subjects you can get into a lot of trouble. Fined, sued or charged because it's immediately slander unless it's registered as fictional or something along those lines.
And sorry, my mistake, there are two classifications both Fictional and Factual (or non-fiction) Documentaries.
However and I'm not sure how it's registered in the USA, but if in a factual documentary you present any untrue subjects you can get into a lot of trouble. Fined, sued or charged because it's immediately slander unless it's registered as fictional or something along those lines.
esspecially a movie with that much press, it was all just petty stuff as far as i've seen, or unprovavble stuff
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
Well he had 3 teams of lawyers and editors from the New Yorker sift through the movie (and BFC AND his books) to ensure that everything in the movie was fact since as Lando said he could be sued for slander. If his movies are lies, why hasn't he been sued yet?
I believe his movie is true. There may be tons of bias and he notes that that's the case, but you cannot deny that his side of the story is true.
I believe his movie is true. There may be tons of bias and he notes that that's the case, but you cannot deny that his side of the story is true.
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
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Exactly. The way he sets things up are somewhat manipulative - intended to make you come to certain conclusions which may or may not be true.
For example, BFC implied that the plant outside of Littleton had something to do with causing the Columbine murders. Something about how "nuclear weapons are often shipped through the streets of this town". The conclusion is automatically drawn that Moore is tying a connection between the two. However, he never says that this was an effect of it. These are just two things that happened to go on in the same town - not a conclusive connection. The purpose (I think) was to create a less than settling feel about the town itself - not to accuse the plant of influencing the killers. But the audience automatically draws that linear conclusion. Suddenly, this becomes a main argument against Moore.
For example, BFC implied that the plant outside of Littleton had something to do with causing the Columbine murders. Something about how "nuclear weapons are often shipped through the streets of this town". The conclusion is automatically drawn that Moore is tying a connection between the two. However, he never says that this was an effect of it. These are just two things that happened to go on in the same town - not a conclusive connection. The purpose (I think) was to create a less than settling feel about the town itself - not to accuse the plant of influencing the killers. But the audience automatically draws that linear conclusion. Suddenly, this becomes a main argument against Moore.
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Every now and then I fall out into open air just to feel the wind, rain and everything.
And though the hum and sway gets me down, I'll find the way to peace and openness.
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Every now and then I fall out into open air just to feel the wind, rain and everything.
And though the hum and sway gets me down, I'll find the way to peace and openness.
"Robbo" - © Alex (happeningfish)...^5 ^5 v v
Here are some pretty good political cartoons about the movie (for and against):
http://cagle.slate.msn.com//news/MichaelMoore/main.asp
http://cagle.slate.msn.com//news/MichaelMoore/main.asp
<img src="http://www.clumsymonkey.net/phpBB2/download.php?id=4500">
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Axtech wrote:Exactly. The way he sets things up are somewhat manipulative - intended to make you come to certain conclusions which may or may not be true.
For example, BFC implied that the plant outside of Littleton had something to do with causing the Columbine murders. Something about how "nuclear weapons are often shipped through the streets of this town". The conclusion is automatically drawn that Moore is tying a connection between the two. However, he never says that this was an effect of it. These are just two things that happened to go on in the same town - not a conclusive connection. The purpose (I think) was to create a less than settling feel about the town itself - not to accuse the plant of influencing the killers. But the audience automatically draws that linear conclusion. Suddenly, this becomes a main argument against Moore.
he was just showing a fact relating to what other people had said about the town like, "it's just a quiet little town" much like when he asked people who they thought influenced it answers like, south park, and marilyn manson, when he interviewd marilyn manson, he asked him "what would you say to those kids who did the shooting if they were here today?" to which manson said "i wouldn't say anything i'd listen" which is the smartest thing ever said in that movie
Queens Of The Stone Age-Someone's In The Wolf
Once you're lost in twillights's blue
You don't find your way, the way finds you...
Tempt the fates, beware the smile
It hides all the teeth, my dear,
What's behind them...
So glad you could stay
Forever
He steps between the trees, a crooked man
There's blood on the blade
Don't take his hand
You warm by the firelight, in twilight's blue
Shadows creep & dance the walls
He's creeping too..
So glad you could stay
Forever
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I saw the movie today.
Yeah, I don't know what to make of it. I mean, it did move me, especially when they showed the American soldiers getting burned, beaten with sticks, then hung without their heads, and seeing the dead Iraqi child dropped into the truck of the dead, but it didn't really do much for me.
I guess it's harder to impress me now. I wasn't going into this movie blind like with BFC, so there was no shock value. Except, of course, for the bloodied up people.
The part that really got everyone in the theatre was when the ladt from Flint visited Washington DC and was pretty much told off by some passer-by, saying everything was staged. Yeah, needless to say, people in the theatre were either pissed off or crying. If I were the Flint lady, I'd have knocked that one cunt out, but that's just me. I'd be offended it someone claimed that my son's death was fake and just made up for a documentary.
In conclusion, if I vote, I'll still vote Democratic, just because I loathe Bush. I just do. After watching this movie, the prospect of my friends fighting over in Iraq (which three are presently doing) scares the hell out of me. I don't want them to be hung from streetposts headless and charred.
Yeah, I don't know what to make of it. I mean, it did move me, especially when they showed the American soldiers getting burned, beaten with sticks, then hung without their heads, and seeing the dead Iraqi child dropped into the truck of the dead, but it didn't really do much for me.
I guess it's harder to impress me now. I wasn't going into this movie blind like with BFC, so there was no shock value. Except, of course, for the bloodied up people.
The part that really got everyone in the theatre was when the ladt from Flint visited Washington DC and was pretty much told off by some passer-by, saying everything was staged. Yeah, needless to say, people in the theatre were either pissed off or crying. If I were the Flint lady, I'd have knocked that one cunt out, but that's just me. I'd be offended it someone claimed that my son's death was fake and just made up for a documentary.
In conclusion, if I vote, I'll still vote Democratic, just because I loathe Bush. I just do. After watching this movie, the prospect of my friends fighting over in Iraq (which three are presently doing) scares the hell out of me. I don't want them to be hung from streetposts headless and charred.
I faced death. I went in with my arms swinging. But I heard my own breath and had to face that I'm still living. I'm still flesh. I hold on to awful feelings. I'm not dead... My chest still draws breath. I hold it. I'm buoyant. There's no end.
Lando wrote:mosaik wrote:all the facts are true. but the conclusions you draw from them don't neccessarily have to match moores.
couldn't have said it better myself!
I agree too.
My comment was just based on Reno's post...
highly doubt that everything he says in this movie is true.
just like i highly doubt everything my government says is true.
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
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I've tried to get into this movie twice and both times we couldn't get in, so I'm gonna try again in a couple of weeks after I turn 17. Then I'll tell you what I think (prolly).
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Lando wrote:mosaik wrote:all the facts are true. but the conclusions you draw from them don't neccessarily have to match moores.
it's ironic that moore would use the same tactics that bush would use. wheather it's lies, or truth that is to make one draw a psudo-false conclusion.
instead of sending a thief to catch a thief, send the police.
Whenever death may surprise us,
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
Well I haven't seen the movie yet, so I can't know for sure what kinds of tactics he's using. I'll probably see it in the coming week or so.
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"