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Posted: 5/16/2004, 11:37 am
by Henrietta
I'm sure that's what he thought about, to destroy BC. As much as I want the world to be a happy, getting along place, America has to look after it's best interests. We need to limit free trade, we need to learn how to support ourselves again. We have the means, and we have the skills, but we are going to lose them if we keep importing goods we don't need. All nations think of themselves, and although America is always trying to step in and stop things that sometimes do affect us and sometimes don't, we need to be the same.
Posted: 5/16/2004, 4:35 pm
by thirdhour
So why the fuck have the agreement in the first place? It doesn't matter the reasons or whatever...they agreed to it, they should follow through. It's that simple. It doesn't work just one way.
Posted: 5/16/2004, 8:53 pm
by lemonphile4
I like discussions about politics. But when it gets to the point where people on opposite sides are accusing each other of being uneducated or saying they have no right to have an opinion or whatever, things need to change. It isn't worth it to divide everyone over this.
Nothing is ever as black and white as politicians and the media make things out to be. Life is complicated. You can never blame one person for everyone's problems. And people are always going to put their spin on things.
If you're really interested in what is going on, you should get your information from many different sources. Don't rely on Bill O'Reilly or Michael Moore or whoever- because their agenda is not to educate, it is to sell books and t-shirts.
ps. An organization I'm in tried to start a voting registration campaign to coincide with Mo Rocca coming to campus in September. It turns out that in Michigan, you need to fill out the paperwork for these things by July of the previous year (when no one is thinking about elections).

Posted: 5/17/2004, 7:57 am
by nelison
Don't be surprised if the free trade agreements are disbanded following this coming election. I've read quite a few stories that both Bush and Kerry don't like the agreements, and are starting to sway back towards a protectionist state with the recent announcements of job loses to asia.
Whether this will be good or bad remains to be seen for Mexico and Canada. Personally I think we'd be better off without free trade, and it would open up the chance for independent businesses to compete with big business.
Mind you NAFTA was a big joke anyways.
Posted: 5/17/2004, 9:26 am
by Henrietta
I would love to see that happen.
Posted: 5/17/2004, 11:34 am
by mosaik
oh christ.
please don't vote NDP.
please.
if you have to vote don't vote for them.
Posted: 5/17/2004, 12:01 pm
by I AM ME
i plan on throwing my vote away in that party in the up coming election. In a sense it's the same as you not voting i suppose, but i could never vote for Harper, and Martin is weak
Posted: 5/17/2004, 2:56 pm
by mosaik
why?
Posted: 5/17/2004, 10:12 pm
by thirdhour
I like taxes. I am a horrible person, I know. I like public heathcare and even publicly funded roads. Just give up on me, I'll never be able to redeem myself.
Posted: 5/17/2004, 11:16 pm
by Bandalero
I AM ME wrote:i plan on throwing my vote away in that party in the up coming election. In a sense it's the same as you not voting i suppose, but i could never vote for Harper, and Martin is weak
it's what i like to call, bushVgore sindrome.
Posted: 5/18/2004, 10:49 am
by modern psychokitty
When a nation refuses to honour their treaties with other nations, it shows they have no respect for anyone, and don't
deserve any respect. And then how can you blame anyone for, well, having no respect for the government in question?
Even if you are protecting your own industry, countries *have* to recognise when someone, like Canada, is providing a better product, like softwood lumber. There is *no point* in protecting an industry that's just going to lead to more leaky roofs.
The world is changing right now. A lot of developing countries, especially China, are finally starting to catch up with the first world, and the EU just got a lot bigger. The US can stick its head in the sand and ignore everyone else, or they can see it coming and adjust to the 'new world order', but in twenty years, they won't be the world's biggest economic force anymore.
I would have considered voting Conservative if Belinda Stronach had won.
edit: i may have hit "submit" before i intended to.

Posted: 5/18/2004, 12:31 pm
by Henrietta
Even if you are protecting your own industry, countries *have* to recognise when someone, like Canada, is providing a better product, like softwood lumber. There is *no point* in protecting an industry that's just going to lead to more leaky roofs.
No they don't, they can do however they see fit. If we think that we need your lumber we will meet an agreement, if we think we can live with our own, they we will.
Posted: 5/18/2004, 4:27 pm
by mosaik
Even if you are protecting your own industry, countries *have* to recognise when someone, like Canada, is providing a better product, like softwood lumber. There is *no point* in protecting an industry that's just going to lead to more leaky roofs.
There is a point. The point is to protect the weak, which in this case is the american lumber industry.
You see, it's not about who can do the best job. It's about delivering a shittier and more expensive product so that jobs can be kept in america.
dont' worry. that kind of communist bullshit leads to worse economic conditions every single time.
Posted: 5/18/2004, 4:30 pm
by Neil
whoh, I was reading into the whole Joanne vs. Sean issue and then page 4 threw me amuck haha
Posted: 5/18/2004, 4:56 pm
by modern psychokitty
Read the first part. There's a treaty.
If you make a deal without someone you can't act like a spoiled child and pretend it doesn't exist when you don't like it, and does when it benefits you. This isn't Gr. 7 anymore.
There's also a tariff on wheat. We're bitter too.