9/11 Anniversary

InRepair79 · Post by **InRepair79** » 9/12/2003, 8:18 am

You know, it's interesting that Pearl Harbor keeps coming up in comparison to 9/11, both having ended up as grist for the conspiracists' mill. It's understandable, too: the climate prior to each attack (America on the brink of war), as well as the outcome of both attacks (America going to war, using each respective attack as justification) were/are generally similar. I don't know that the idea that FDR knew about the impending attack on Pearl Harbor was seriously entertained in 1941. I think it's a revisionist history sort of thing, borne of a current day, post-Watergate sort of zietgeist, but, of course, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. As for 9/11, there's a pretty hefty body of evidence demonstrating that at least some government officials knew something was going to (or at least very likely going to) happen, and that something was most likely going to be perpetrated by Eastern terrorists. So what does that mean, exactly?

Bandalero · Post by **Bandalero** » 9/12/2003, 10:16 am

nikki4982 wrote:
Bandalero wrote:for the rest of the 364 and 1/4 days left i don't want to hear it. you notice that Pearl Harbor day isn't so nicely packaged, it's not talked about all year long, but we remember it on the day itself nontheless. that's what needs to happen with this day.

So, what you're saying is that people are only allowed to mourn on the anniversary of their loved ones deaths? That's the stupidest thing I've heard in a long time. You can't choose when to mourn. It just happens.

And, about Pearl Harbor, yes, now not too many people mourn that day, but that's because the generation of people who remember it are slowly dwindling down to nothing. Not to mention, it wasn't televised so that everyone could watch the horror with their own eyes. September 11th was two years ago. We all remember it. We all watched it happen. Many many people know people who died in those buildings. Someday, 9/11 will just be another national holiday, and there will only be a few of us who truly know what the holiday means. But, right now, that's not the case.

well you see, many news ancors, fox news, and george bush didn't have relatives who died at this event. if you look at it closely, all three of the above mentioned as well as many others, are trying to profit from this expirience. your absolutely right, you can't tell people when to mourn. you can't tell the people who have been personally touched by this event, to once mourn one day out of the year. However, the rest of us, especially those who seek to turn this into an excuse for some type of money scheme, should let it settle a little. does it help those grieving families to hear nine-eleven every hour of every day on every channel from here to eternity? Of course it doesn't. So why should media bombard us with this topic when it's not necessary? why should GWB make a mention to it in every speech?

Sufjan Stevens · Post by **Sufjan Stevens** » 9/12/2003, 10:55 am

Venom, all I am going to say is I don't feel like hearing about 9-11 everywhere I turn. Yes, it was unfortunate, and I don't like the fact that people died, but there has to be a point where I can watch the news and I don't have to hear about 9-11. I'd like to read the newspaper and not see 9-11 in it. Maybe I'd like to sit in my school and not have to go through 9-11 practice evacuations. That would be nice. I don't see this happening to us in the future, so what is with the constant cramming of it down our throats?

I agree with Reno on this. The media is marketing off of the whole 9-11 idea. Everything that happens that is remotely bad has to be terrorism. The first thing that was said during that blackout was "Oh my God, it's terrorism." I was watching Fox News off my portabe television and that was all they were reporting, and not the possibility that our power systen fucking sucks. Give me a break, they could have reported a factual story, but instead they rile people up with the threat of terrorism. That's great.

When was the last time we were able to hear a speech from GW that doesn't milk off 9-11? Honestly, each one of his interviews he drops 9-11 into his speech a good three or four times, just to make sure the American people haven't forgotten, like that's possible, because I can't watch anything that isn't ESPN that doesn't talk about 9-11, and even they drop 9-11 on there, but at appropriate times.

As long as Jews control the media, we won't hear the end of this. Remember, Jews and Arabs don't get along all that well, and well, this isn't exactly the high point of Arabic history right now, so leave it to our media to exploit the hell out of 9-11 just to make all Arabs look evil. As long as GW is in office, and Cheney or Jeb runs for president after him, we won't hear the end of this. We've got another five years, at least, of Bush milking off of this tragedy just so he can look like a better president.

Oh, and Venom, it's not like 9-11 didn't effect me, you know. It was by far the worst thing I've seen in my life. Like I said on the last page, I was shocked that people would jump from the WTC to their death, and it really made me empathize for the whole situation, so I can imagine how scarring it is for someone that lived there and saw it all go on. But for God's sake, let the issue rest for a while. Speaking about it at relevant times is fine. Remembering it today is fine. But let the people mourn without having to watch the plane go through the building all the time. Let them live their lives without having to watch their family members be trapped in a building and die. That doesn't help the people we should be worried about, that just makes them relive the horror of 9-11, every fucking day.

InRepair79 · Post by **InRepair79** » 9/12/2003, 11:02 am

Rufus Wainwright wrote:As long as Jews control the media...

That's a pretty sweeping claim. Maybe you ought to elaborate on it before you end up...you know...looking stupid or something.

Sufjan Stevens · Post by **Sufjan Stevens** » 9/12/2003, 11:04 am

Fine, I will tredge through all the threads that we have in here and look for the thread where I brought this up and Doug and Chris backed me up and proved my statement was correct, just for you.

Joanne · Post by **Joanne** » 9/12/2003, 1:12 pm

I was in health class learning about what could happen if we had sex and all of a sudden our teacher walked out into the hall and came back in a couple of minutes later and told us that a plane had crashed into the WTCs and we were like holy shizzic.

my thoughts on 9/11:
it was sad and stuff like that, but because of it my 20 yr old cousin becky is in Kuwait driving the General around in a hummer .... i hope she will come back soon

I've got to agree that it was sad but i also dont like hearing about it everywhere

One-Eye · Post by **One-Eye** » 9/12/2003, 1:17 pm

What was I doing on 9-11-01?

Playing hooky, sleeping on the couch.

Joanne · Post by **Joanne** » 9/12/2003, 1:19 pm

you bad... bad... child..... lol... i wish i coulda played hooky

One-Eye · Post by **One-Eye** » 9/12/2003, 1:27 pm

Well, I didn't play hooky after that because I thought if I did a few thousand more people might die.

Joanne · Post by **Joanne** » 9/12/2003, 2:11 pm

starvingeyes · Post by **starvingeyes** » 9/12/2003, 3:09 pm

ha.

venom, your actions in iraq + afghanistan were worse then the WTC/Pentagon attacks because you killed more people. easy.

also.

fdr did know about pearl harbour. this is mainstream fact. everybody knows this.

InRepair79 · Post by **InRepair79** » 9/12/2003, 8:38 pm

Rufus Wainwright wrote:Fine, I will tredge through all the threads that we have in here and look for the thread where I brought this up and Doug and Chris backed me up and proved my statement was correct, just for you.

Oh, shit. "Doug" and "Chris" "backed you up" and "proved" that Jews control the media? I didn't know that. I thought it was just some knuckle-dragging nobodies who'd somehow found the opposable thumbs to commit to an Our Lady Peace message board an elaboration on their stillborn grasp of world politics. I didn't know the world-renowned pundits "Doug" and "Chris" were involved. I guess it's cinched, then: the Jews control the media. You can understand my ignorance regarding this revelation, though, can't you? The major networks that comprise the JUWISH CONTROLED MEDIA (by the way, that's how these sorts of things are communicated in print...in all caps, with lots of misspelled words) aren't going to let the world know that, thanks to you and "Meet the Press" roundtable discussion veterans "Doug" and "Chris," the gig is up.

Blue-Eyed Soul: citation, please.

Corey · Post by **Corey** » 9/12/2003, 8:46 pm

Sufjan Stevens · Post by **Sufjan Stevens** » 9/12/2003, 9:30 pm

I think this link says it all.

http://www.libreopinion.com/members/sta ... ion03.html

Is that not enough for you, asshole? Here's another one!

http://www.realnews247.com/rule_america.htm

Alright, that one has racist tones to it, so here's another one!

http://www.natall.com/free-speech/fs964d.html

I will go on all day, but there's no point in posting link after link to back my points here.

Have you ever noticed that when you watch the news, or read the paper, that you never hear anything complimentary of Arabic people? That's not a coincidence. Did you happen to notice the field day the media had on Jewish people after 9-11? Or were you deaf, blind, and dumb to that happening? Have you ever heard about any Jews killing Palestinians? Ever? No.

Unless you go to another country or read a paper from a different country, you won't ever hear that a Jew has done wrong. That may seem like an opinion, but I've never heard a Jew ever commit a suicide bombing, but I've heard that an evil Arab has 50 times over.

Unless I choose to watch cartoons most of the day, I can't avoid anti-Arabic viewpoints. Each news station I watch has this problem (excluding CNN most of the time). I turn on MTV, and they have a documentary where they follow around this Jewish girl in Israel, who happens to be friends with Palestinians, and she talks about how her friends are bombed by Palestinians all the time. Did they happen to follow around Palestinians that get effected by this? Hell no. Why not? Because MTV is owned and ran by Jews.

Please, I want you to read my links. Read them with an open mind, notice that nearly all facets of television and newspapers are Jewish-owned, realize that everywhere you turn there's another Jewish owned media corporation telling you that Arabic people are evil. Then if you read all of the facts and still think that Jews, who clearly own every major facet of media, still don't control the media, then you're a moron that can't read and comprehend things.

doug · Post by **doug** » 9/13/2003, 12:44 am

InRepair79 wrote:Oh, shit. "Doug" and "Chris" "backed you up" and "proved" that Jews control the media? I didn't know that. I thought it was just some knuckle-dragging nobodies who'd somehow found the opposable thumbs to commit to an Our Lady Peace message board an elaboration on their stillborn grasp of world politics.

first of all, if i am a knuckle dragging nobody then i hate to think what that makes you. around here i'm known for a few things:
1) being right
2) being right without having to call anybody names.

i find it's always better to beat somebody's argument instead of trying to drag their good names through the mud.

so:

alan has provided sources detailing facts. the first link alone more or less proves his point. jewish people own an incredible amount of mass media in the united states. if you disagree, i have three words that form one complete sentance for you.

prove him wrong.

if you can't, then what you are doing is spouting off your baseless and utterly worthless opinion. if you can, i am eager to see your evidence that i am sure you have collected. after all, what kind of individual forms an opinion on an issue without doing some fact finding first?

doug · Post by **doug** » 9/13/2003, 12:51 am

www.iraqbodycount.net

that website uses your media outlets to tabulate the number of iraqi's you've killed. i think the current minimum count is something like two and a half world trade centres.

http://www.pomperaug.com/bass/f_block/p ... e_page.htm

Information on FDR and his knowledge of Pearl Harbour is hard to find, especially from credible sources. The links provided from that website, however, do paint a picture.

now then. you don't believe FDR knew - can you prove it? or are you just going along with what you've been told?

Corey · Post by **Corey** » 9/13/2003, 6:28 am

Sure, sure. You convinced me. Hey while we're at it, I can provide a few links that prove the Holocaust never happened.

Axtech · Post by **Axtech** » 9/13/2003, 6:29 am

So now you're just going to discredit people's links because said links back up their argument?

Sufjan Stevens · Post by **Sufjan Stevens** » 9/13/2003, 8:41 am

Last time I checked, if Jewish people own and run the major media outlets across America, and have the ability to publish and edit whatever is said through their media outlets, along with the fact that the corporations they own clearly overwhelm each other media company that rivals it, I think it would be safe to say that Jews have a pretty tight grip on what is said in the media.

My links prove it. Just turn on your television. Odds are, if you have basic cable, either Disney or Viacom (both Jewish-owned corporations) dominate the channels that you watch. It wouldn't shock me if one out of every four basic cable and local channels are Jewish-owned. But clearly, that is not control over the media or anything.

And by the way Corey, my links are no less credible than the links you provided with the corny paintshop pictures to tell me that Japan didn't surrender (which, surprisingly, never came up in the article.)

doug · Post by **doug** » 9/13/2003, 3:43 pm

I would like to point out that the onus is not just on Alan and I to do some convincing. Corey, how do you know FDR didn't know about pearl harbour? how do you know that jewish families don't control the media in the USA?

there must be evidence to support your side. i assume you're at least somewhat familiar with it. where is this evidence? arguments are only as strong as the evidence that backs them up, and right now the only parties submitting evidence are Alan and I. the quality of our links is debatable, no doubt, but at least we have something to draw on.