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yeah i was going to comment on that and also on how America's still buddy buddy with them, but i didn't want to go to big
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
Just to bring this back on topic for one second...it's quite obvious that the intentions with laws regarding voting work against those individuals 30 and under. These individuals are the most likely to spur change, and act against the norms of society. To make laws restricting where someone may vote (even if he/she may reside in that riding for educational purposes) is an undemocratic act.
Think about it, the smartest individuals are often the ones who travel away from home for post-secondary education. They're capable of critical thought, and are more likely to see possibilities for change. If they are unable to vote for change by voting for a unorthodox party (i.e. the NDP in Canada and the green party in both the US, and Canada, as just a couple examples). Essenitially, other than causing riots and rebellion, voting for unorthodox parties is the only way to change things.
A great example of the power of the under 30 cohort is the white rose during Nazi Germany. There's an excellent movie on this student organization, but this website gives plenty of information about the group http://www.jlrweb.com/whiterose/ Although it was during one of the most extreme political eras, its very clear that the Nazis knew the power of educated youth.
Another great example is the former Soviet Union's Akademgorodok, a town built in Siberia by the govt for students to study and critique as they pleased, but having to live in Siberia where no one could hear their ideas.
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The reason why most uneducated people are democrats is not because of intelligence. It has to do with social class. Republicans tend to have more money, and therefore cause obtain education. If you don't have money, you don't go to school. As much as the dems have become just as republican as the republicans are on many issues, there's still the idea that the rich shouldn't be receiving breaks, while the poor remain poor that comes with the democratic name. In this area the democrats and the republicans are different.
Uneducated, and unintelligent are two very different things. You can go to Yale, and become an unintelligent yes-man, just as easily as you can work straight out of high school, and be well-read.
Now, Joanne, I would just like to know something... what exactly has Bush done for you? Pretty simple question, and I'd just like to see you muster up an answer. thanks.
Think about it, the smartest individuals are often the ones who travel away from home for post-secondary education. They're capable of critical thought, and are more likely to see possibilities for change. If they are unable to vote for change by voting for a unorthodox party (i.e. the NDP in Canada and the green party in both the US, and Canada, as just a couple examples). Essenitially, other than causing riots and rebellion, voting for unorthodox parties is the only way to change things.
A great example of the power of the under 30 cohort is the white rose during Nazi Germany. There's an excellent movie on this student organization, but this website gives plenty of information about the group http://www.jlrweb.com/whiterose/ Although it was during one of the most extreme political eras, its very clear that the Nazis knew the power of educated youth.
Another great example is the former Soviet Union's Akademgorodok, a town built in Siberia by the govt for students to study and critique as they pleased, but having to live in Siberia where no one could hear their ideas.
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and now... to catch up with this current conversation...
The reason why most uneducated people are democrats is not because of intelligence. It has to do with social class. Republicans tend to have more money, and therefore cause obtain education. If you don't have money, you don't go to school. As much as the dems have become just as republican as the republicans are on many issues, there's still the idea that the rich shouldn't be receiving breaks, while the poor remain poor that comes with the democratic name. In this area the democrats and the republicans are different.
Uneducated, and unintelligent are two very different things. You can go to Yale, and become an unintelligent yes-man, just as easily as you can work straight out of high school, and be well-read.
Now, Joanne, I would just like to know something... what exactly has Bush done for you? Pretty simple question, and I'd just like to see you muster up an answer. thanks.
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
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"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
Personally, on the Day Saddam was captured, I was extremely excited. Okay. That is enough for me to like Bush. I think taking down a dicator is a pretty big job. If you guys would ever become president and take down a dicator, I'd support you too. Whether people hated you for it or not. That let me sleep at night, knowing that Al-Qaida would be going down the drain and my cousin could come home. Seriously. Now I'm going to get my butt out of here, I don't like debating that much, and having the flu and being angered by politics isn't that much fun. I'll be back in about 3 days. And what is Kerry going to you for you, might I ask?
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Is your cousin back? Because my old roommate's boyfriend of three years was sent out there, and he's not back.
First of all, people hate America because they believe America thinks they're smarter than everyone else and have the right to impose their will on them. Oh, Saddam's a dictator. We'll ignore the efforts the people in Iraq are making towards democracy, they clearly can't get the job done. We have to civilise them. Europeans had the same attitude towards their colonies, and no one liked it then either.
Secondly, they've just triggered what my old English teacher called the "kleenex box phenomenon", where everytime you pull one out, another one pops up in its place. Except now we're talking about one of those boxes with all the lotion and aloe in the tissues, and it's glumped up towards the bottom. So everytime the new one pops up, it's more filled with the crazy juices that make them believe Americans are demons, because they just killed the great so-and-so.
You want the goo to just dry out and get all crusty so no one wants to touch it, not pull it up.
First of all, people hate America because they believe America thinks they're smarter than everyone else and have the right to impose their will on them. Oh, Saddam's a dictator. We'll ignore the efforts the people in Iraq are making towards democracy, they clearly can't get the job done. We have to civilise them. Europeans had the same attitude towards their colonies, and no one liked it then either.
Secondly, they've just triggered what my old English teacher called the "kleenex box phenomenon", where everytime you pull one out, another one pops up in its place. Except now we're talking about one of those boxes with all the lotion and aloe in the tissues, and it's glumped up towards the bottom. So everytime the new one pops up, it's more filled with the crazy juices that make them believe Americans are demons, because they just killed the great so-and-so.
You want the goo to just dry out and get all crusty so no one wants to touch it, not pull it up.
"That girl thinks she's the queen of the neighbourhood, well I've got news for you... SHE IS!" ~Bikini Kill, Rebel Girl
Joanne wrote:Personally, on the Day Saddam was captured, I was extremely excited. Okay. That is enough for me to like Bush. I think taking down a dicator is a pretty big job. If you guys would ever become president and take down a dicator, I'd support you too. Whether people hated you for it or not. That let me sleep at night, knowing that Al-Qaida would be going down the drain and my cousin could come home. Seriously. Now I'm going to get my butt out of here, I don't like debating that much, and having the flu and being angered by politics isn't that much fun. I'll be back in about 3 days. And what is Kerry going to you for you, might I ask?
uh i hate to be a bother again but you just made another mistake. You said with Saddam gone you can sleep easier knowing Al Queda is going down the drain.......*pssst* Saddam wasn't an Al Queda member, infact Al Queda and Saddam were not on good terms
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
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Saddam did need to be ousted or at least brought under control, but i'm afraid Europe had the right approach,
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
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I'm more concerned with the even scarier people who will take over if the Americans leave before things are actually stable.
I'll admit it was great for the wetlands in the northern parts of Iraq, though.
I'll admit it was great for the wetlands in the northern parts of Iraq, though.
"That girl thinks she's the queen of the neighbourhood, well I've got news for you... SHE IS!" ~Bikini Kill, Rebel Girl
well that is what happened last time, both the Taliban and Saddam were America's choices for regime change last time around
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
hpdfk wrote:^^look whos back!
yes thank you. I got a net connection here at home but have decided I'm only posting in the politics forum since I'd prefer to spend my time nowadays doing productive things... intelectual debates being one of them.
joanne wrote:Personally, on the Day Saddam was captured, I was extremely excited. Okay. That is enough for me to like Bush. I think taking down a dicator is a pretty big job. If you guys would ever become president and take down a dicator, I'd support you too. Whether people hated you for it or not. That let me sleep at night, knowing that Al-Qaida would be going down the drain and my cousin could come home. Seriously. Now I'm going to get my butt out of here, I don't like debating that much, and having the flu and being angered by politics isn't that much fun. I'll be back in about 3 days. And what is Kerry going to you for you, might I ask?
Well it's already been pointed out about the lack of al qaida/saddam links, so I'll just look beyond that simple fact.
Countless president's have caused regime changes. It's not like this is a huge feat. All he did was give the go ahead to start a war against a country which his army could not possibly lose (that is against an opposing army, the "insurgents" are doing one hell of a job I might say.). I think you should take a look at all the regime changes due to US hostility just to see how normal this has become.
Secondly, I would just like you to know that Al-qaida is only 1 terrorist cell, and in fact all it takes is one person to cause terrorism. Can anyone prevent a man from wanting to blown himself up in a public high density area? no. This was a "war on terrorism", Bush might as well called it a "war on Al qaida" since terrorism is impossible to stop.
Third, notice how this was a war on al qaida? My how people forget things from only a couple years back. To go after Iraq, even though Al Qaida had not been completely eliminated is a failed mission. The fact that Bin Laden hasn't been caught is a failed mission. The fact that still hundreds and probably thousands of his men are still at large is a failed mission. Why did the US move on to Iraq after not successfully winning it's supposed "war on Terror?" And, if you think that Saddam was a terrorist, I'd say you need to read more. Although he treated many of his citizens poorly, he certainly was not a promoter of terrorist acts, as he had never commited such an act against any unknowing country.
Finally, what could Kerry do for me? nothing lol I'm Canadian. I think it could make the US more creditable in international affairs with a regime change of its own, but really he's going to have quite the tough job getting your country out of a mess started by Bush. It's no wonder the Dems couldn't pull out a big time candidate. None of them were stupid enough to want to clean up Bush's mess.
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
Mrs. Clinton won't touch it with a 30 foot pole. She's going to wait till everthing works out a bit. As for effecting us though, i believe it does, whoever America votes for has huge implications on Canada. Esspecially if Dean would have won, Dean had excellent relations with Canada
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
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I AM ME wrote:Mrs. Clinton won't touch it with a 30 foot pole.
And that's why Bill cheated.
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i haven't heard one of those jokes in sooo long...
good point. i was referring to iran though. *shudders*
and i'm pretty sure the biggest change in us-canada relations could be effected by stephen harper.
for those of you who don't pay attention to canadian politics, here's a picture:
does anyone else think he's had his teeth bleached?
i haven't heard one of those jokes in sooo long...
I AM ME wrote:well that is what happened last time, both the Taliban and Saddam were America's choices for regime change last time around
good point. i was referring to iran though. *shudders*
and i'm pretty sure the biggest change in us-canada relations could be effected by stephen harper.
for those of you who don't pay attention to canadian politics, here's a picture:
does anyone else think he's had his teeth bleached?
"That girl thinks she's the queen of the neighbourhood, well I've got news for you... SHE IS!" ~Bikini Kill, Rebel Girl
yeah he's pretty hardcore scary, although i think he's still better then Stockwell, Stockwell was just a total nutcase.
woooo go Layton!
woooo go Layton!
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
Gotta love the NDP, but gotta admit there's no way in hell they're going to win.
The only ads I've seen for him are on the tv guide channel, pretty damn sad. And all they say is...the liberals are meanie-head faces! Vote for me!
They should be saying "GOOD FUCKING GOD MAN! WHATEVER YOU DO, STAY AWAY FROM THE CONSERVATIVES! WE'RE NOT GOING TO WIN...BUT GOD DON'T LET THEM WIN!!!!"
The only ads I've seen for him are on the tv guide channel, pretty damn sad. And all they say is...the liberals are meanie-head faces! Vote for me!
They should be saying "GOOD FUCKING GOD MAN! WHATEVER YOU DO, STAY AWAY FROM THE CONSERVATIVES! WE'RE NOT GOING TO WIN...BUT GOD DON'T LET THEM WIN!!!!"
Sorry, I left for a couple days, never had a chance to reply to Joanne.
Sooo, I have no right to say anything because I'm Canadian?
You are 15. You don't vote, you don't pay taxes. Basically, if I don't have the right to speak my opinion on what's going on and is going to affect my world, then neither do you.
So, the economy in my province is shit, and my mom lost her job because the liberals are deseperate to get it back up. And why? A little old thing called the soft-trade lumber dispute. Your president over there seems to think "Free trade agreement" is code for "Hey, lets slap on 20% tariffs so that BC's leading industry can no longer hold it's own." So yes, this does affect me. Maybe not in the most obvious ways like it seems to for you, but nontheless it does.
Sooo, I have no right to say anything because I'm Canadian?
You are 15. You don't vote, you don't pay taxes. Basically, if I don't have the right to speak my opinion on what's going on and is going to affect my world, then neither do you.
So, the economy in my province is shit, and my mom lost her job because the liberals are deseperate to get it back up. And why? A little old thing called the soft-trade lumber dispute. Your president over there seems to think "Free trade agreement" is code for "Hey, lets slap on 20% tariffs so that BC's leading industry can no longer hold it's own." So yes, this does affect me. Maybe not in the most obvious ways like it seems to for you, but nontheless it does.