Jaded?

[Bandalero]

WHY is it socially acceptable to get drunk out of your mind to the point of passing out?

Dude. Alcohol is a drug. Pot is a drug. Big happy drug family. Pot (in small doses) is not crazily bad for you. Alcohol (in small doses) is not crazily bad for you.

If pot was legal, many of the problems associated with drug dealing would be gone. Legitimate buisnesses could be formed and dealing wouldnt have to happen in back alleys. I don't beleive you that pot is worse for you than alcohol. Proove it.

you've just answered the first question with with the second paragraph. in moderation it's acceptable. pot isn't because it smells like shit, and it serves no other purpose other then to fuck you up. Alcohol is a beverage, that people can enjoy in moderation, it's smooth going down and makes a wonderful mixer. pot in moderation does absolutly nothing. thats why people are always saying you have to do it more then one time and after a while your tolerence level begins to rise.

if pot were legal you would still have smugglers bringing in stuff, powerful stuff, and or cheeper stuff. stronger and cheeper stuff will always be in high demand, and if you ever got around to regulating the potency of pot, it creates a demand for these. you gonna pay 30 bucks for designer pot, or 20 bucks for something else? if your a junkie you'll choose the cheep stuff.

[thirdhour]

Pot isnt physically addictive. Your tolerance also goes up with alcohol. If you've never drank before, you'll get drunk off of one beer. If you've been drinking your whole life, you'll be able to handle much more.


Just because you can have fun with a drink in your hand, it makes it better than pot? People smoke. What pupose does this serve? Then they smoke pot. Same thing, more drug. People quite obviously injoy it, or else they wouldnt be doing it. If all we wanted from alcohol was the beverage part of it, we'd get a freaking orange juice.

People manage to do just fine on the 5% in beer. If someones making money off this shit, they'll make sure they do it well.

[thirdhour]

oh yeah. Pot may smell like shit, but alcihol tastes like shit

[Bandalero]

Pot isnt physically addictive. Your tolerance also goes up with alcohol. If you've never drank before, you'll get drunk off of one beer. If you've been drinking your whole life, you'll be able to handle much more.

Just because you can have fun with a drink in your hand, it makes it better than pot? People smoke. What pupose does this serve? Then they smoke pot. Same thing, more drug. People quite obviously injoy it, or else they wouldnt be doing it. If all we wanted from alcohol was the beverage part of it, we'd get a freaking orange juice.

People manage to do just fine on the 5% in beer. If someones making money off this shit, they'll make sure they do it well.

but it's mentally addictive, people come up with stupid claims that they have to have it all the time. that it opens your mind to stuff you cannot comprehend sober. it's all a lie and nothing but crap. the last thing we need is more lies about pot so that everyone can waste their time harming their lungs. while on the contrary, a glass of red wine everyday is good for the blood. both basically have their ups and downs in the health department, but many people actually enjoy the taste of burbon or whiskey or vodka. there are several textures to many types of wines and many types of beers. people drink what they prefer, not always to get plastered but because it taste good to them.

there are also many types of weed, but they only range from potency, and one person may prefer KB to something else only because it fucks him up better, faster, ect.

[thirdhour]

not true. I have heard they taste different. I wouldnt know. Besides, alot of people drink different stuff for the same reason, they want to get drunk.

I love how this argument has boiled down to which one tastes better

I say its a matter of personal choice and neither one is particularily better than the other.

[Jeni]

Everyone is jaded these days. Its the society in which we live and the way we choose to live our lives. Only changing yourself will help you

[Sufjan Stevens]

Yeah, the best thing about this thread is the fact that a complete wino is trying to preach how alcohol is good and how smoking a joint is the end of the world. Alcohol is worse. It does more damage to your body, it plays a huge roll in most driving accidents, it causes fights in bars, yet you're saying it's alright. Wake up.

[I AM ME]

alan should be working in the addictions center of a school, those kids would be terrified to even think aboutstarting anything, the school concilor would kick their asses

[Soozy]

In moderation alcohol is actually good for you. I can't remember exactly how, but if you have a glass of red wine a day it helps prevent some diseases.

My Dad's doctor actually told him he should maybe drink more one time!

[Random Name]

I'd rather have my cholestoral, thank you.

[closeyoureyes]

Yeah, the best thing about this thread is the fact that a complete wino is trying to preach how alcohol is good and how smoking a joint is the end of the world. Alcohol is worse. It does more damage to your body, it plays a huge roll in most driving accidents, it causes fights in bars, yet you're saying it's alright. Wake up.

. the way i see it, drinking is only socially acceptable because the government says its legal, and the government only says it's legal because they make shitloads of money in tax from it. but look back in history, alcohol was once illegal aswell. will it take 100 years to make drugs legal?

[Bandalero]

Yeah, the best thing about this thread is the fact that a complete wino is trying to preach how alcohol is good and how smoking a joint is the end of the world. Alcohol is worse. It does more damage to your body, it plays a huge roll in most driving accidents, it causes fights in bars, yet you're saying it's alright. Wake up.

alcohol is worse?

yes, and pot smoking cry babies that puss around the world about how life sucks and they just want to escape from reality come up with this bullshit jargan that pot is their escape. face it kiddos, life is hard, deal with shit, smoking pot isn't going to make your troubles dissapear, quit being such a pussy, get your face out of the bong, and face your challenges. there is no reason to put smoke in your system, that's not what your lungs and respitary system is designed for. the same thing can be said about pot users behind the wheel, but god forbid MADD, Alan, and other associations get off their asses and make an effort to curve driving under the influence of an illegal substance. no, let's all bitch about alcohol, let the pussification of the world continue. god forbid you get your ass kicked in a bar fight, serves you right for drinking too much. nothings wrong with hand to hand fighting. face it, it's alot better then getting killed or robbed because some junkie needs his fucking fix.

[thirdhour]

Uh, I wasn't complaining about alchohol, nor was I saying that pot was a good thing. I was saying no one should be congragalated for doing either.


And Alan, just curious, if you think alcohol is terrible, why don't you get mad at people who come on drunk, but you get mad at someone that came on high?

[Sufjan Stevens]

Oh yes Reno, let's just waste away our lives drinking because it's the "cool thing to do" in that fucking redneck town in Texas. Let's wake up at 2 in the morning and whine about how you missed your chance to go out and drink, because you know, that's not sounding like a fucking drunk anyways.

Liquor isn't good for your body either buddy. In fact, it's as bad, if not worse, than smoking a joint is. Yet you speak (read: bitch) about how bad it is to light one up as a social purpose, but you're all about drinking your weekends away. Face it, you have no fucking right to have an opinion on someone smoking pot when you're a lush. You don't. You can't speak ill of pot smokers when you drink. You can't preach about how smoking is bad when you're drowning your liver in liquor whenever you can. You're nothing but a hypocrite. Liquor is clearly worse for you, and yet, you think drinking is fine.

I'll put it this way. I'd much rather have pot use legal than drinking. I hate people that do both of them, but I'd much rather have people lighting up a joint then just being lethargic in the basement then having some fucking moron teenagers at a party doing a keg stand then being "brave" and getting in a fight or fucking their lives up somehow, or having thousands of drunks leaving the bars EACH AND EVERY NGIHT and driving home. Each person is highly likely to kill someone each time they go home lit up, but that's ok, right?

Don't bother responding, all you're going to do is give me some tripe about how you'd rather have a legion of lushes like you out there than someone smoking down in a house and you'll look like a fucking ill-informed moron.

[thirdhour]

Woah. I agree with Alan. This is madness...

[Bandalero]

Don't bother responding, all you're going to do is give me some tripe about how you'd rather have a legion of lushes like you out there than someone smoking down in a house and you'll look like a fucking ill-informed moron.

ha, yeah, instead of going out and being social, let's just fucking stay at home and get high listening to the wall, crying about little problems in life. wow, red neck Texas is so much fucking different then some fucking college town up north with no real identity. yeah, i can go to a party, and have a few drinks, and have other people look at me and decide if i'm decent enough to go driving or i can stay there also. junkie in the basement is gonna crawl out of his damn hole in the ground and want "munchies". how about junkie driving around looking for an open mc donalds? does he not pose the same threat?

i'll admit that yes drinking is problematic, so why don't you admit that using drugs is? and how is liquor worse then smoking pot? please doctor, i need to know. nah, fuck it, who cares what's worse, they both do harm. i'm willing to admit that. how about you?

i just love how drinkers are always reminded about the hazards of drinking. they'll put ads, and signs, and wrecked vehicles on the side of the road to deter drinkers, but what about drugs? besides the smoking ad's for kids not to do it, there's no such thing. it's as if every godamn accident involves alcohol, but your to godamn smart to know that. you should know damn well that people drive and wreck under the influence of pot and other drugs all the time and they cause accidents too. how many police chases have you seen where the guy gets pulled out of his stolen vehicle and he's got a sack of shit with him? people go to bars and use drugs to. WHAT?.......SINCE WHEN.......THAT'S BULLSHIT RIGHT?....BARS ARE JUST FOR DRINKING RIGHT? yeah, and teenagers use them at parties too. of course youre not gonna hear it from cops of feds, because that raises questions. questions that they don't have answers to. How are drugs getting into the communities? Shouldn't you be pulling over trucks full of drugs instead of trucks full of money? How much of that money is the counties? Are you being paid off? Are you doing you job at all?

and of course i'm the ill informed moron. yet i inform you of bodies out in th desert in some far away land that you don't give a shit about. i'm the one asking why the local po-po pulls over trucks of money instead of drugs. i'm the one not admitting that people drive under the influence of drugs and kill people just like drunk drivers. your the fucking hipocrit for bitching about innocent people accidentally dying during a war time scenario, and not giving a fucking damn because some junkies habit is killing, kidnapping and assassinating people. seems to me you don't know shit about shit.

[Sufjan Stevens]

Yeah, and all I have to do is ask one question to make you look like an asshole. Here we go. Where did I say that smoking pot wasn't bad? As soon as you find that, let me know, because I'm dying to know.

I said I care more about a drunk driver than someone toking up and driving. My parents have driven me stoned all the time and I've never been in an accident with them. My friends drive home stoned all the time too, and the only accident they've been in was once my friend drove through a green light and got t-boned by some old broad. I have, however, been involved in an accident with a drunk driver. A "friend" (I use the term very loosely) of mine died because of a drunken driver. My friend Ian has severe back problems now because a drunk driver hit him going the wrong was on I-75. Odd how that works, isn't it?

Oh yeah, and I can quote myself how I said I have a problem with those that smoke pot and drink, if you'd like. I mean, I just said it in the previous post. You're the one that goes on and on about how much you want to drink, then you drive home. You have no room to speak ill of pot because you're putting peoples lives in danger everytime you drink and drive. Just because your friends look at you and think you're OK to drive doesn't mean you are.

And no, I'm not a hypocrite because, again, I don't want people smoking pot either. Hell, on the first page of this thread I went off on someone for saying she did it, this is why we're talking about it now. But honestly, I'd much rather have someone smoke a joint and eat some crackers at home then have someone like you on the road lit up.

[AnnieDreams]

i just love how drinkers are always reminded about the hazards of drinking. they'll put ads, and signs, and wrecked vehicles on the side of the road to deter drinkers, but what about drugs? besides the smoking ad's for kids not to do it, there's no such thing.

I don't know if it's just where I am.. but I see adds about the consequences of doing drugs and driving under the influence of marijuana all the time.

[Bandalero]

Yeah, and all I have to do is ask one question to make you look like an asshole. Here we go. Where did I say that smoking pot wasn't bad? As soon as you find that, let me know, because I'm dying to know.

you make it look like everything bad happens whenm you drink, but almost nothing happens when your high. that's not true.

I said I care more about a drunk driver than someone toking up and driving. My parents have driven me stoned all the time and I've never been in an accident with them. My friends drive home stoned all the time too, and the only accident they've been in was once my friend drove through a green light and got t-boned by some old broad. I have, however, been involved in an accident with a drunk driver. A "friend" (I use the term very loosely) of mine died because of a drunken driver. My friend Ian has severe back problems now because a drunk driver hit him going the wrong was on I-75. Odd how that works, isn't it?

so because nothing bad has happened to you and anyone you know, it makes it ok to drive home high? um, no it doesnt your parents still put people at risk. If and when it does happen that someone high wrecks into someone you know or even yourself, is it still going to be ok?

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My parents have driven me stoned all the time and I've never been in an accident with them. My friends drive home stoned all the time too, and the only accident they've been in was once my friend drove through a green light and got t-boned by some old broad. You have no room to speak ill of pot because you're putting peoples lives in danger everytime you drink and drive. Just because your friends look at you and think you're OK to drive doesn't mean you are.

And no, I'm not a hypocrite because, again, I don't want people smoking pot either. Hell, on the first page of this thread I went off on someone for saying she did it, this is why we're talking about it now. But honestly, I'd much rather have someone smoke a joint and eat some crackers at home then have someone like you on the road lit up.

that's just a nice read isn't it? i'm a bad guy for driving after a few beers, but your parents and friends are in the clear because they're driven while high. well i've never had an accident while i have been drinking. does that mean i'm in the clear? according to you i'm not, but your friends and family are. explain it to me because you've lost me.

your parents put people in danger by driving high. they're been fortunate that it hasn't happened, but your not always lucky. if i'm loaded i don't even come near my car. if i've stopped drinking and have had most of the alcohol get out of my system, then yes i go home, after people make sure i can function. no they're not experts, but they know well enough to stop giving me booze at a certain time if i want to go home. they also know well enough to take the keys away also.

but what would you have, a guy who's come home from the bar, on drugs driving or a guy out of the bars after drinking. personally i would not like to have either, because they're both the same problem. i'll admit there's nothing wrong with the guy sitting at home stoned, if you admit the drunk sitting at home drinking is in the clear as well.

[closeyoureyes]

forgive me if i'm wrong, but Reno, you keep throwing around the term "Junkie". Pot isnt addictive, and isnt "Junkie" a term used for those who <i>need</i> a fix of something hard like heroin or cocaine? I thought this discussion was Pot/Alchohol or is it the umbrella term "Drugs"? I am confused.