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Honestly, Rob is right. If this DVD was "for the fans" like has been said before, then you think these people might have put an effort into adding some special things onto it, let alone mix the fucking thing properly. If the thing skips and the vocals match up so poorly that you think you're watching an overdubbed Japanese movie, you pretty much just got fucked in the ass by greedy whores looking for their 400th way to make quick money off of Gravity.

Honestly, people spend months making these DVDs perfect, and it's hard to believe that in all these months, not a single person noticed that all these DVDs had such poor quality that it would warrant a recall. It had to get by all the people that mix the sound and do all that work, along with the band watching it to see how much they liked it, and probably 50 other people from Sony, and not one would stop and say something about it?

But hey, thank God this is the last money scam by OLP until their new CD comes out in what is believed to be February, which will soon become June. Then we can watch how many times that CD gets re-released with additional songs to make fans buy it and get fucked over. Yep.
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BTW, the fact that I find the home video footage on the DVD to be unprofessional should not offend and is not a criticism of Stacy. Hell, if I were her I'd be ecstatic that my footage would be released in this way.

The short film is fine, I don't object to that. It's a great little piece of the DVD actually, but this home video stuff is everywhere. It's all over the disc. You have to wonder at some point if they just went with that approach because it was cheaper...at any rate, my point is that this lack of attention to detail and production is far too prevalent over the DVD. Look at other DVD's to compare.

The argument that this adds some grit or "fan-appeal" to the DVD is bogus. Fans want quality, they ache for it and expect nothing less for the money they spend. We didn't get it here.

For what it's worth, I'll agree that it's the best OLP DVD ever! But probably one of the worst and most poorly pieced together DVD's I own.
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Geez Dude. Quite bitching already. Sheesh.



I do understand that this DVD could have been put together alot better but, I see no point in complaining about. Its all we got.
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people should be happy that olp got a dvd at all, record labels arnt exactly handing money out lately
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deniedjunkie wrote:people should be happy that olp got a dvd at all, record labels arnt exactly handing money out lately


:nod:

on the other hand. dvd's are the only profitable thing at the moment for the record companies, so they should have put some more effort in the fabrication, because this recalling will be pretty costly I imagine.
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Oh, I'm sure Sony's losing a TON of money on this. :lol: :evil:
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I don't know if what I'm about to say has been mentioned before, but a lot of people are talking about how the DVD is out of synch. For me, the first time I watched it it was perfect, but then when I went back and watched a few of the videos again it was off. But with my DVD player it's a miracle it worked the first time, considering with most movies you have to pause and play again every five minutes, and a lot of my friends' DVD players are like that too. So are you guys sure it's the disc?

On a different note, personally I like the camcorder "home video" effect.
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I haven't got the DVD yet, so I can't comment on its quality (or alleged lack thereof). However ....

I can't be the only one who's been at a show and seen Stace or Louisa (or maybe someone else) there with their camcorder and thought 'wow - I really hope I get to see some of that one day' - and one of the reasons I can't wait to get the DVD is because I know there are some of those clips are on there - and yes, maybe the quality's not as good as the main DVD, and maybe it's only for a few seconds, but it's good for this footage not to sit somewhere getting dusty.
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I've found that if I put it on Dolby 5.1 instead of Sterio (even though I have Sterio), it's in synch.
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Axtech wrote:I've found that if I put it on Dolby 5.1 instead of Sterio (even though I have Sterio), it's in synch.


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I do agree that the production on this disc should have been better. Dolby 5.1 should be the default audio on the disc. The video pretty much stays in synch with the audio if you have it set up that way. And the cause for the out of synchedness is of course the use of 2 or maybe 3 different sources. One of the guys said a while back in a an interview that the DVD and CD would be somewhat different, because what made for good audio didn't make good video, and the good video didn't always make the best audio. I agree that daggone it, we deserve the best quality because I'm guessing die hard OLP fans will be the only ones who buy this, and we have been dying for a masterful video and audio concert for years. Quality control should have done a better job testing the discs before they sent them out, that I agree with. While I understand this is our hard earned money being spent on this disc, and we want the best for our buck, my main comment is to not get so wrapped up in technical details that you can't enjoy the dvd. So instead of tearing the thing down, let's take a look at what is good about the dvd and harp on why we like the things we like in it for a change. :D

And let's not bash on anyone (I need to read that myself), because I think this has been a fairly healthy discussion so far. Just keep in mind to look out for the good and post about it too! :D
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god, annoying 'superfans' who think their favorite band can do no wrong seriously piss me off. do what egotist said, go watch the duran duran or coldplay dvd's then stick with your same argument. seriously, you have to me mature enough to understand your favorite band is not flawless.

hmm, upon reading the post above mine, you can start being nice and stuff right after my post.
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EGOTIST:

what Duran Duran DVD you talking about.? The greatest hits one? Or is there another one that came out I don't know about?Thanks.


all this talk about the dvd scares me. I don't have it yet. Reading everyone's review makes me afraid to watch anything but the concert and even that is getting a bad rap.

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People are just being bitter and critical. After Gravity, I don't blame them.

There are a whole TWO ERRORS on the DVD. Both of which can be fixed...

1. The skipping on Birdman. Enter the recall. Whoever tested the DVD didn't happen to test it on the non-working DVD players, so the error made wasn't caught. No biggy. That's what recalls are for.
2. The out-of-synch vocals on one track. The only major problem here is that it's the default. Just hit one little button on your DVD remote and, Voila!, you're set to go! Plus, the working track is the better one. Again, an error on the production end, but it's not a big deal.

Then there's the complaints about no music videos on it. But this is a Live CD meant for fans who couldn't make it to the tour. Besides, we have all the videos already, don't we? I know I've got all the OLP videos on my computer (at least, I don't know of any I'm missing). As far as content goes, this DVD has a much longer concert than most. Over two hours of concert footage!
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psycho groupie wrote:EGOTIST:

what Duran Duran DVD you talking about.? The greatest hits one? Or is there another one that came out I don't know about?Thanks.


all this talk about the dvd scares me. I don't have it yet. Reading everyone's review makes me afraid to watch anything but the concert and even that is getting a bad rap.


Yes, I'm talking about the most recent Duran Duran one. I popped that one in and was pretty satisfied. The new Rush one is pretty damn good too, and they were very up front about their own disc's technical limitations (the video is not anamorphic). Rush issued a press release forewarning fans about what to expect with the DVD.

While Axtech may recognize two fundamental errors that can be fixed, the things I'm talking about extend beyond these items. Regardless Axtech, as a consumer, you or I shouldn't have to FIX anything.

Am I bitter? Not really, I'll still buy the next record. Am I critical? Damn straight, what sort of consumer would I be if I weren't? I don't buy everything that says OLP on it.

But some people do, and I'll be more than happy to post this puppy on Amazon for them.

That's the end of this for me. One last negative post from me, for a negative thread. Feel free to start one that expresses the joy of finally getting an OLP DVD.
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xjsb125 wrote:I agree. Dammit Stace, why can't you take a six million dollar high definition camera with you to all the shows???????? Dam* your crappy footage. Why can't OLP take a full fledged film and audio crew with them everywhere? I don't understand. :roll:

But seriously, I think the DVD is great for those who aren't having problems with it. I will say that it's bad that the discs weren't of the utmost quality (the recall). I will also say that there are some things that we really didn't need from the band. For one, what good is an audio commentary on the concert? Sure Jeremy would have been a riot, but what can you say about a show.
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The extra tour footage was great. Granted it wasn't with a million dollar camera, but good grief, at least Stace made a damn good effort to create some sort of documentation of the show. I can also live without a Bob Rock interview. The only Bob Rock video we need is of me shooting him point blank in the dingy with a .50 caliber revolver. OLP's videos on DVD finally, yes, that would kick ass. I'll keep my hopes up it may happen someday. But we have all of them but 3 or 4 on the hub now, so that makes me happy. So have a warm cup of kwitcherbitchen and enjoy the DVD.


you bashed everyone with a negative view in that post and made it not a healthy discussion. Like Meg said there is a new group of super fans to replace us old ones. Eventually you will mature in your taste of music and the effort bands put to meet fans needs. Releasing a half ass DVD isnt one I have seen too successful in the past.
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Yes, because we all know that OLP were the ones that filmed, edited, produced, manufactured, packaged and shipped out this DVD.

All OLP probably did was authorize the making of it, and play the music at those concerts, keeping the setlist the same to prepare for and tape it.

OLP is with a shitty company that doesn't give a rats ass about anything but money. These "superfans" are defending OLP because it's Sony (and the production company hired by Sony) that are at fault. OLP are just the guys who play the music we like. That doesn't mean you have to be happy with the DVD, but it does mean that there's no reason to blame the band for every little negative thing since the one mistake the band made; Gravity.
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OLP get a majority of the $$$$ and get final say in everything. It is their DVD not Sony's. They chooose what to put on and how it all looks. Unless they were too lazy to do so and just let Sony do it and they reap the benefits.
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Neil says: Sooooo errors were made, seriously, whats the big deal???? Unhappy consumers, ummm hasn't that been happening for YEARS now?!?

I can admit, if I was a member of the band or relatively close to where I'd have control over these problems, I'd be just a WEEEEEEE bit embarrassed, but perhaps they didn't have as much control as most of us think.

Some bands are simply chronies in the under-arm of the "guys in suits", the label masters. Perhaps the band really got "shit on" with this whole ordeal.

Honestly, just save the bitterness for those nasty ass "Sour Patch Kids" and perhaps Stace will have an explanation for the whole mess on the band's behalf.
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areusad831 wrote:OLP get a majority of the $$$$ and get final say in everything. It is their DVD not Sony's. They chooose what to put on and how it all looks. Unless they were too lazy to do so and just let Sony do it and they reap the benefits.


OLP gets (comparatively) squat from sales of albums and DVDs. Sony gets that. They also entered into a contract with Sony, which probably states that although the band gets creative control, Sony gets the final say. Remember, they entered into this contract when Sony was the only company interested in them enough to come down to the recording studio and hear them play. They didn't have a lot of room to negotiate. Raine's often stated that he hopes bands don't make the same mistakes as OLP did in the start of their career (ie going straight to a big company and into the limelight).
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