"The Right Stuff" Video

Brooklin Matt · Post by **Brooklin Matt** » 1/22/2009, 6:13 pm

I'm looking forward to it.

I laugh at people expecting to hear NAVEED 2. It's never going to happen.

The Right Stuff isn't their best song, but it might make a good rockin first single. I want to hear the studio version.....so I can get a feel for the sound and production.

Old OLP fans are way too uptight and stuck in the past. All it ever leads to is disappointment. I don't think the last couple albums are that great, but I'm not jaded enough to constantly resort to pessimism and whining. Obama doesn't like it, and neither do I.

laurel · Post by **laurel** » 1/22/2009, 6:15 pm

I actually feel alienated for being happy and excited about this new album specifically because of all this negativity. Since the nay-sayers seem to outnumber those of us who actually are looking forward to this album, I don't see how those of you who are dissing the album can feel alienated.

But that's just my opinion, and since we're all apparently entitled to them, I have no problem expressing it, even if those of you who feel the album is going to suck because of this one single and they'll be so embarrassed to tell their friends they're OLP fans (and yes, that IS what people are saying - go back and read the thread if you don't believe me) think I'm in the wrong.

Also, I don't believe anyone on here is saying OMG I'LL LOVE THE ALBUM NO MATTER WHAT. I love OLP no matter what, that doesn't mean I'm going to worship the album even if it sucks. There IS a difference.

Point of this being, QUIT BEATING THE DEAD HORSE. WE GET IT. YOU DON'T LIKE THE MUSIC. I'M SICK OF SEEING YOUR BITCHING ALL OVER THE PLACE. Last time I checked this was a band supporters site, not a "let's bitch because OLP has changed THE TRAVESTY" site. That doesn't mean we can't say bad things about the music, but when every single time the new album is brought up it's met with whining about how horrible the new music is, I don't see how that's productive to discussion. There are people around here who are excited about the new album and a lot of people on here are acting like that's a bad thing. If all you want to do is bitch about it, maybe you should start your own thread instead of ruining the threads of those who actually want to talk about the new album instead of saying 100 times "This song sucks I'm so embarrassed to be a fan."

But I get it. You have an opinion and are expressing it. Good for you. We all get it. I think it would be nice to be able to talk about the new album without all the negative speculation.

well everyone thus far has has a nicely formulated reply to what lando and i posted, conducive to discussion.

it's posts like yours that get people on the defensive. calm down. that was more negative than anything anyone else has said thus far, i think.

Johnny · Post by **Johnny** » 1/22/2009, 6:15 pm

MindsOnLoan · Post by **MindsOnLoan** » 1/22/2009, 6:34 pm

One person. That's the amount of people I've heard saying their "embarrassed".

Also, just because people are being a bit on the fence or have a feeling of negativity towards the album, that doesn't mean they're not looking forward to it. If they weren't looking forward to it or somewhat awaiting it, I doubt they'd be discussing it. You also said that "some people want to discuss the album". I'm pretty sure that's what's been happening, until this all turned into a "no negative feelings" argument. Not all discussions have to be overwhelming positive. You say that you're fine with negative feelings, but I've seen quite a few threads in the past were you starting ranting about the negativity. This negativity hasn't even really been directed towards the album, most of these posts are directed towards The Right Stuff. For someone talking about postivity, you sure have been dishing out negativity towards the board. I'm not trying to attack you or anything, I'm just saying, chill out a bit, not everyone's going to feel the same way.

Also, why is it that people keep retracting their posts once it's been commented on? If you truly have changed your opinion then have at it, but don't change it just because someone gets onto you about it. You can say what you want about it, although it's preferred that the "posts in question" elaborate. If it's what you feel, stand by it.

Shanae · Post by **Shanae** » 1/22/2009, 6:43 pm

I think that having a discussion without negativity is like reading a book without conflict. Even as that is, I don't necessarily see this is "negative talk;" it's more so trying to be critical.

I keep retracting my posts because I don't quite know where I'm at yet. I tend to be overly critical at points and totally optimistic at others. My mind changes often.

I think the "embarrassed" person was me, wasn't it? Yeah, I do get a little embarrassed to listen to bands with 'bad' songs at times. My music taste could always be worse, but I find myself a little sheepish to be listening to a song I'd call of lesser value in comparison to the rest of the band's songs.

[Once again, damn it, I wish I could say what I mean.]

MindsOnLoan · Post by **MindsOnLoan** » 1/22/2009, 7:07 pm

Actually, I was referring to Patrick (A Strong Alibi) about the "embarrassed" thing, as he mentioned something about whenever his friends would hear it and how'd they'd joke around with him about it, or something along those lines.

myownsatellite · Post by **myownsatellite** » 1/22/2009, 7:07 pm

I don't know what you mean by retracting my posts, I haven't retracted anything. I stand by what I've said - I don't like the fact that I can't come on here without reading bitching about how Raine isn't as good as he used to be and the band has changed for the worse and we're never going to get another good album and all the new singles suck. After a while, yes, it wears me down. I'm angry. I want to come on here and see people who love the band this website is for, not to see all of that all the time. Of course I'm going to have a negative response to that mindset. Of course I'm going to express myself and get mad and tell you all what I think. I don't take shit from people anymore, I've been walked on my whole life, and OLP gave me the strength to be someone better, and I'm not going to come on here and sit here and look at all the bitchy self-righteous posts about how OLP needs to put out better music to please us fans because we're oh so important to what they do, and if they aren't going to release another Naveed then they aren't worth our time anymore. Yes, that's how you all sound to me. It's ridiculous the amount of negativity towards The Right Stuff (and the other new songs that have been played), I'm getting rather tired of the same old diatribe. I hated Life, I hated Innocent, but I don't come on here and say that every time the songs are brought up. The rest of the albums made up for the songs to me. This album hasn't even been released yet - why all the complaining if you don't even know how it's going to sound for the album?

Lando · Post by **Lando** » 1/22/2009, 7:14 pm

laurel wrote:
I actually feel alienated for being happy and excited about this new album specifically because of all this negativity. Since the nay-sayers seem to outnumber those of us who actually are looking forward to this album, I don't see how those of you who are dissing the album can feel alienated.

But that's just my opinion, and since we're all apparently entitled to them, I have no problem expressing it, even if those of you who feel the album is going to suck because of this one single and they'll be so embarrassed to tell their friends they're OLP fans (and yes, that IS what people are saying - go back and read the thread if you don't believe me) think I'm in the wrong.

Also, I don't believe anyone on here is saying OMG I'LL LOVE THE ALBUM NO MATTER WHAT. I love OLP no matter what, that doesn't mean I'm going to worship the album even if it sucks. There IS a difference.

Point of this being, QUIT BEATING THE DEAD HORSE. WE GET IT. YOU DON'T LIKE THE MUSIC. I'M SICK OF SEEING YOUR BITCHING ALL OVER THE PLACE. Last time I checked this was a band supporters site, not a "let's bitch because OLP has changed THE TRAVESTY" site. That doesn't mean we can't say bad things about the music, but when every single time the new album is brought up it's met with whining about how horrible the new music is, I don't see how that's productive to discussion. There are people around here who are excited about the new album and a lot of people on here are acting like that's a bad thing. If all you want to do is bitch about it, maybe you should start your own thread instead of ruining the threads of those who actually want to talk about the new album instead of saying 100 times "This song sucks I'm so embarrassed to be a fan."

But I get it. You have an opinion and are expressing it. Good for you. We all get it. I think it would be nice to be able to talk about the new album without all the negative speculation.

well everyone thus far has has a nicely formulated reply to what lando and i posted, conducive to discussion.

it's posts like yours that get people on the defensive. calm down. that was more negative than anything anyone else has said thus far, i think.

To be honest, the thing I like the best about this whole thing is that the people who are enthusiastic about the new album are the biggest bitchers and complainers here. I mean the people who have doubts on this board should be the ones to stand up and say "hey, something isn't right here!"

why? because I don't see anyone who might be doubting the new album's quality complaining and bitching that they're sick of the people who are enthusiastic and excited for the new album. how about we all start doing that everyone. quote a message from someone who's looking forward to the album or likes the new songs and totally RIP into them. Tell them that we feel alienated and that we're utterly sick of hearing such positive remarks!

seriously, get real, I couldn't care less if you're sick of reading that someone doesn't share the same positive outlook as those who do. you have a problem with it? tough. that's our opinion. the only difference here is we're not complaining that you have your own opinion that's separate from ours. I'm not going to conform to one way of viewing things for every optimistic fan's pleasure on this board.

However, if those who are positive want to keep bitching about others having negative or unsettling opinions of what they've heard so far, I'm sure that the sarcasm of my suggested response for us who feel indifferent about the new material can easily become a reality.

The only thing is, I don't really know if I want to stoop to that level...

MindsOnLoan · Post by **MindsOnLoan** » 1/22/2009, 7:22 pm

As I said before, the retracting part wasn't about you.

People here obviously do care about and love this band, otherwise they wouldn't be discussing them. Rarely do I see a site full of people discussing a band that they hate, and if they do, it's in one thread. Just because everyone isn't extremely positve about the music doesn't mean they don't like the band. People here love the band, so they want to see them back on their A-game. I'd just be weird if someone was just content with everything a band put out. You're saying that you won't back down from what you have to say, then don't try to make others back down. As sick as you may be of seeing it, it's still going to happen. As long as people are being introduced to the band or the band is coming out with new albums, there will always be this discussion.

As I said before, everyone is just hoping that they get back on their A-game, whether it be for personal reasons or for the band. Personally, I want OLP to put out music that they enjoy, but also that the music is something that they strived to make it to the best of their ability. Not only would more fans enjoy it, but it would be something OLP could be proud of.

myownsatellite · Post by **myownsatellite** » 1/22/2009, 7:24 pm

But how do you know this isn't the kind of music they want to be putting out? How do you know they didn't strive to make it to the best of their ability? That's what I'd like to know. I'm sure they're proud of it. They put it out. They produced this album on their own. Why would they put it out if it wasn't what they wanted?

MindsOnLoan · Post by **MindsOnLoan** » 1/22/2009, 7:29 pm

I was saying is that's what I want the band to do, not "what I hope they get around to on some album". And besides, you know just about as much as this album as I do, so that'd be merely speculation on your part too.

myownsatellite · Post by **myownsatellite** » 1/22/2009, 7:29 pm

I just don't think they'd be touting it as something they're insanely proud of if they weren't proud of it.

MindsOnLoan · Post by **MindsOnLoan** » 1/22/2009, 7:32 pm

Like I've already stated numerous times, that's what I want them to do.

Matt. · Post by **Matt.** » 1/22/2009, 7:45 pm

myownsatellite wrote:But how do you know this isn't the kind of music they want to be putting out? How do you know they didn't strive to make it to the best of their ability? That's what I'd like to know. I'm sure they're proud of it. They put it out. They produced this album on their own. Why would they put it out if it wasn't what they wanted?

I said this before in another thread, I think. This is their record on their terms. If this is the kind of music that they want to create, then all the power to them. I can't hold that against them. They're the ones that will have to play these songs night after night for the next two years and for the rest of their career.

With that said, though, if this really is the kind of music that they want to create, then I can understand how hearing a song like The Right Stuff could be disheartening. I mean, we've been told for a while now that they've fought to get back to the place they were in prior to the Gravity sessions. I know that we've yet to hear a single studio version and that any real criticism at this point is exceptionally pre-mature but, let's be honest, what we've heard thus far hasn't exactly been encouraging. If Burn, Burn proves to be in the same vein as Gravity and HIPT, I don't think it's much of a stretch to say that it will be the proverbial stake in the heart of any OLP fan that was clinging to the (marginally absurd) hope that the decline in quality over the past 6-7 years was more a result of Bob Rock than of the band itself. Like I said, I recognize we've yet to actually hear the record (or the single, for that matter). But I guarantee you that opting to release The Right Stuff as a lead single is only going to further alienate (what's left of) their core fan base.

Shanae · Post by **Shanae** » 1/22/2009, 7:53 pm

I absolutely agree with Luthy. I couldn't have said it better myself.

But speaking of beating dead horses, maybe we should let this one die...?

Matt. · Post by **Matt.** » 1/22/2009, 7:56 pm

Suthy, Shanae

Suthy.

(I'm only kidding. I don't really care lol)

Shanae · Post by **Shanae** » 1/22/2009, 8:01 pm

Damn it! I knew it was wrong, too. I was much too lazy to look.

*Bows down* I am sorry. I truly am the noob.

Matt. · Post by **Matt.** » 1/22/2009, 8:02 pm

The noob who has almost as many posts as I do haha.

Shanae · Post by **Shanae** » 1/22/2009, 8:07 pm

The noob that really, really needs a hobby or something.

Lando · Post by **Lando** » 1/22/2009, 10:42 pm

So I quoted something from MindsOnLoan here but my gf told me it wasn't directed at me. It was posted right after mine though!

So you need to use the quote function Dr. Steve Brule!

Lando gets confused easily.