Why is everyone so negative about OLP lately?

[Dr. Hobo]

Do you know how pissed off a crowd would be if they left an OLP show and they didn't play, say, Clumsy or SD or SOT or Innocent?

you forgot naveed
they didnt play naveed at one show
i wasnt a happy sandman
i went into withdrawl
and put naveed on stace' cd player in the car

oh and you made perfect sense nikki

oh and dan.. not everyone has your taste in music... get used to it heh
i mean.. theres ppl out there who like 50 cent or even britney spears... thats THEIR PERSONAL OPINION
no sense in getting your panties in a bunch over something you cant control..
some ppl will like SOT or innocent cause the song relates to some aspect of their life (2 of my friends love innocent mainly due to the verse about tina .. a friend of theirs from highschool wanted to become a dancer.. she died of cancer a year earlier and she was a really good friends of theres.. it maybe simple.. it may not be the BEST song but that really hit them hard.. they for the record are very hardcore fans and always will be.. it really depends more on the situation sometimes too)

[Ignignokt]

i know not everyone has the same music tastes

but it pisses off older fans when you go and change the music, especially for such a fan-based band such as OLP to do it.

[Tattooed Angels]

THey have made 6-7 songs since Gravity.

actually over 15. you really need to get your numbers right and your question mark key fixed.

I wasn't talking about recorded. I was talking about playing live. As far as I know there is * Our Time Is Fading*, *Not Afraid*, *Talk Is Cheap*, *No Warning*, *Walking In Cirlces*, * Wipe That Smile*

What did I miss to make it 15?

[Johnny]

I heard that they recorded 12 songs this past spring and now they are going back to the studio soon to record some more. I heard that of the radio.

[Tattooed Angels]

I heard that they recorded 12 songs this past spring and now they are going back to the studio soon to record some more. I heard that of the radio.

as I said, I wasn't talking about recorded. i was talking about being played live-sort of thrown out to the audience for response. Most people like the newer stuff.


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also it is unfair to say that all fans are 15 year olds who think Raine is hot. There were always girls like that at OLP shows. There are also 15 year olds who aren't teenyboopers but like music.

I don't know who said you were horrible cause you didn't like Gravity or the new direction etc. I personal said that a FAN with support aband through good and bad. You don't have like everything a band does. Shit I don't even like everything my friends and family does.

As for the same setlist. They usually do the same bulk of songs-but they mixed in a few others here and there. Also OLP did take request when they played a few years ago. They also do care what the fans think- you may not think so but they do.

I rather have BAD-OLP(according to you guys) then no OLP at all. Maybe you don't feel the same way-but who cares. I still am a fan. I still love the live shows and I still dig the music. BTW- I am a fan from NAVEED era.

[Ignignokt]

so am i

[Sufjan Stevens]

So am I. Granted I was young and wasn't able to go to their concerts, I was a fan of their music back then. How long you've been a fan doesn't matter. The quality of the music does.

[Sufjan Stevens]

Nikki, you might want to sit down for this. What I will say might shock you. Alkaline Trio has songs on the radio.

OK, now that you've regained your composure, you can hear me out on this. Alkaline Trio has had 4 songs on the radio, Stupid Kid, Private Eye, Goodbye Forever, and We've Had Enough. They only play one of them, We've Had Enough, on a show-to-show basis because that single is off their current album. Bands can survive a few shows with playing songs that aren't only singles. You'd be shocked.

When this next album comes out, what are we going to hear? Five songs off the new album and the rest are singles. I'm sorry, but that is shitty. The fact of the matter is, maybe fans expect something more than the same singles every show. I don't think I am asking too much for a little variety. Sure, keep your major songs like Clumsy, Naveed, Superman's Dead, and Starseed, but maybe take the rest of the singles out and try to piece together a new setlist with some rare songs. I want to hear shit like Blister and The Wonderful Future, but I will never get that because I have to hear Innocent and One Man Army every single show.

Just because you're on a major label and have five cds out does not mean you can abandon what's not released for purely radio songs. Bands that are on indie labels have more cds out and still are able to play songs that no one would expect them to. Alkaline Trio has four major releases, and over a cd worth of B-sides, and they still can play anything at random. Maybe the difference between indie bands that sell out larger venues than OLP and OLP is the fact that a band like Alkaline Trio cares about the fans.

Give the fans a treat. I am not asking for a kidney or anything. I am asking for something nearly any band would do. Play more than the same 19 songs everynight.

[evanw60]

We get it already. Alkaline Trio is your favourite band. That's nice for you.

[Ignignokt]

it has nothing to do with Alk3 being his favorite band.

he is just making a point that they dont only play singles at their shows.

if you want i could name a bunch of other bands that don't too.

[namkablam]

can you?

[Ignignokt]

yea, i can

[Sufjan Stevens]

Dan is right, Alkaline Trio being my favorite band has nothing to do with anything.

I want the bands I like to actually do something different live. The same 19 songs night after night is bullshit. People see the band play multiple times if they're good enough, and maybe the fans expect a little variety. Last year I saw OLP five times, and it was fun. But between June and September, they changed two songs in their setlist. I heard Thief once in Columbus and I heard Neon Crossing in Detroit. Besides those two songs, and the impromptu addition of In Repair and Automatic Flowers (hey, two more singles, whod'a thunk it?) at Detroit, I heard the same songs over and over again. Yes, it was nice we got the two songs thrown on in the encore at Detroit, but it was a one time thing. I heard the same 18 songs at all five shows. That is bullshit. There's no way around it. Flat out bullshit.

Any band that respects their fans would make a change to their setlist more than once in a four month span. And the one change to the setlist was one song. Real bands like Alkaline Trio (omigod I said their name again!), Koufax, The New Amsterdams (Matt came on stage with a guitar and started playing requests for an encore), and The Von Bondies will change their shit around to make the crowd happy. But bands like OLP play the same 19 songs in the same order everynight. But I forgot, I am not supposed to want to hear different songs. I'm sorry for wanting variery and respecting bands that use it.

[namkablam]

Props to Alkaline Trio, Koufax, The New Amsterdams, and The Von Bondies. I'm not familiar with these bands but are they the original members of their bands?

Steve's been in the band for a year and a half now? Give him some time to learn more songs and maybe when they start headlining, they will mix up the setlist.

[CluMsyNavEed]

When Weezer went on their tour last year they actually did something that was pretty cool.... They put songs from their 4 albums on a computer and randomly had it throw out the setlist.... So every show was different.. I like that idea

[Axtech]

When you don't have any new guys, and remembering how to play your songs (and how to play them well) consists of memorizing a power chord progression, you can do that.

[Sufjan Stevens]

Alkaline Trio has one original member in its band. They just got a new drummer last summer, and they are still able to play random songs.

The only original members in Koufax is the keyboardist and the singer/guitarist.

The New Amsterdams only go on tour once every other year, because the members of the band are from other bands like The Get Up Kids and Hot Rod Circuit. Nearly everyone in The New Ams get replaced except for the singer/guitarist.

OLP tunes their guitars differently, so remembering their songs the way it's tuned is about as complicated as remembering how to play a power chord Rob. At most, they hold down one extra string, but still, beyond the solo's, it's not that complicated to learn. So I will say this in the third different thread now, just because the stuff I listen to uses power chords doesn't make it any more difficult than holding down two or three strings and playing a bunch of open strings like OLP does. So everyone needs to stop trashing power chords. If bands want to play complicated chords, then they should play them and not tune it differently. OLP is no different than a power chord band. End of story.

[Axtech]

OLP tunes down a half step. It's the same as playing standard, only one half step lower.

I was talking about Weezer, specifically. I don't know enough about the bands you listen to to know what/how they play.

[Sufjan Stevens]

Well out of my favorite bands, only Alkaline Trio uses power chords. Everything else uses technical chords, which is fine by me, but I tend to not care about the difference.

[Axtech]

I was just pointing out that it's much easier for Weezer to do random setlists than for OLP, especially with a newish member.