Posted: 4/29/2003, 2:34 pm
i saw that too! i was with my friend and i started dancing around the display.
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Posted: 4/29/2003, 4:42 pm
Yeah Rob I thought of that too, you're talking about the thing at the end of Soul of the Fire, right? With the Haken kids and the so on? Also I'm reading SotF again and I have a question, why didn't Jagang just invade the Anders' minds and get control of the Dominie Dirtch since they weren't sworn to Richard and therefore were unprotected by the bond? Either I missed something here or Goodkind did....
Posted: 4/29/2003, 4:47 pm
That's a good point.
There may be something that I'm forgeting. Something that protects them.
There may be something that I'm forgeting. Something that protects them.
Posted: 5/22/2003, 8:40 pm
Looky what I found 
Posted: 5/23/2003, 6:39 pm
neat. e.e. cummings is fantastic.
Posted: 6/8/2003, 5:38 pm
I started reading WFR again 
I bought me a new copy cause the old one was totally trashed... this one's a pretty purplish gray special edition and it cost me THREE DOLLARS from Chapters!
WFR...
I bought me a new copy cause the old one was totally trashed... this one's a pretty purplish gray special edition and it cost me THREE DOLLARS from Chapters!
WFR...
Posted: 6/8/2003, 7:01 pm
I saw that one (posted about it, too).
Is there anything new in it?
Is there anything new in it?
Posted: 6/8/2003, 7:16 pm
I don't think so... at least not the part that i've read so far... and i've got the original practically memorized lol. Maybe there's something later on. I'm at the part where Richard and Kahlan have just gotten through the pass to the Midlands and Zedd woke up and proposed a little visit to his wizard's rock with Adie 
Man he cracks me up. Such a ladykiller.
Man he cracks me up. Such a ladykiller.Posted: 6/8/2003, 7:29 pm
He's one sly sex-machine all right. An old, skinny, wrinkled sex-machine.
Posted: 6/8/2003, 7:35 pm
With superpowers! That must explain a lot.
Posted: 6/28/2003, 4:03 pm
I think I can join this thread now.
Although I don't want to go back and read too much of it for fear of spoilers.
I also feel somewhat out of place for not feeling like these are the greatest books ever written...
Oh well. :ohwell:
Okay, so here's my deal with WFR (which is the only one I've read so far):
1. Too predictable. Not so much that it sucked, but just enough that I wasn't really surprised by most of the plot turns.
2. Richard really isn't that bright, and Kahlan is just too perfect. Most of the characters were pretty contrived. Zedd was my favorite.
3. Heavy on the cliches. Again, not a bad thing necessarily, but I think he did it too much.
4. Biggest crime of this book: the rules of the magic were there only to serve the plot, not the other way around. "You can't use your magic against Rahl because... you just can't." "You can't fall in love with a Confessor unless... you're just cool enough." Not good. My 10th grade english teacher used to say that an old proverb for fantasy books is that you should "grow real toadstools in imaginary gardens", meaning that the world may be imaginary, but it has to make sense. The magic should be there, but not just to make the plot more convenient. This is what bothered me most about the book. That, and the heavy use of ridiculous coincidences (Siddin just HAPPENED to be in the queen's dungeon, Richard and Kahlan just HAPPENED to find Rachel with the box, the red dragon just HAPPENED to have a weakness Richard could exploit, and so on, and so on)
But anyway. I'll get Stone of Tears next time I have money and access to a bookstore.
Although I don't want to go back and read too much of it for fear of spoilers.
I also feel somewhat out of place for not feeling like these are the greatest books ever written...
Oh well. :ohwell:
Okay, so here's my deal with WFR (which is the only one I've read so far):
1. Too predictable. Not so much that it sucked, but just enough that I wasn't really surprised by most of the plot turns.
2. Richard really isn't that bright, and Kahlan is just too perfect. Most of the characters were pretty contrived. Zedd was my favorite.
3. Heavy on the cliches. Again, not a bad thing necessarily, but I think he did it too much.
4. Biggest crime of this book: the rules of the magic were there only to serve the plot, not the other way around. "You can't use your magic against Rahl because... you just can't." "You can't fall in love with a Confessor unless... you're just cool enough." Not good. My 10th grade english teacher used to say that an old proverb for fantasy books is that you should "grow real toadstools in imaginary gardens", meaning that the world may be imaginary, but it has to make sense. The magic should be there, but not just to make the plot more convenient. This is what bothered me most about the book. That, and the heavy use of ridiculous coincidences (Siddin just HAPPENED to be in the queen's dungeon, Richard and Kahlan just HAPPENED to find Rachel with the box, the red dragon just HAPPENED to have a weakness Richard could exploit, and so on, and so on)
But anyway. I'll get Stone of Tears next time I have money and access to a bookstore.
Posted: 6/29/2003, 10:55 am
i'm re-reading the series and I've realized that they steadily get better and better. Let me tell you... by the time you hit Faith of the Fallen... holy god
Posted: 6/29/2003, 6:06 pm
Yeah, don't judge the whole series by the first book.
About the Tolkien thing...
What's with the worship? I mean, sure the books are good, but he's only one of hundreds of writers who had done the same thing before him. He just happens to be the most famous...
Posted: 6/29/2003, 8:15 pm
Meh. LotR defined the fantasy quest novel, and most subsequent ones have just been variations on the theme. Some are good. Some are better than the original. Some plunge into pits of suckiness.
I've read so many of them by now, it's just gotten very old. Very fast. Not that that's Goodkind's fault, it's just that I'm at a place in my reading endeavors where I'm looking for something <i>different</i>. That's all.
I've read so many of them by now, it's just gotten very old. Very fast. Not that that's Goodkind's fault, it's just that I'm at a place in my reading endeavors where I'm looking for something <i>different</i>. That's all.
Posted: 6/30/2003, 7:56 am
Oh, and on the subject of Richard "not being that bright", it's just his character flaw. Sure, it's a predictable and over-used flaw, but it makes sense. He's ignorant to the world of magic. He grew up in a world without it, where magic and wizards were the things of fairy tales.
That's also why the rules of magic were only there to serve the plot. We "learned" about magic as Richard learned about it. He only discovered new things about magic when they came to be of use to him in his quest. Yes, a lot of the magic used happened to be pretty coincidental in that it all helped in the quest, but there were things that held them back. Other coincidences were things that seemed obvious to the reader, but would not have to the characters. It wasn't really coincidence, it was just that you knew what was going on even when the characters didn't. That's part of the shifting third person perspective. You know what's happening from many different angles, whereas each character only has one distinct view.
But once again I'll say it, they all get a lot better.
That's also why the rules of magic were only there to serve the plot. We "learned" about magic as Richard learned about it. He only discovered new things about magic when they came to be of use to him in his quest. Yes, a lot of the magic used happened to be pretty coincidental in that it all helped in the quest, but there were things that held them back. Other coincidences were things that seemed obvious to the reader, but would not have to the characters. It wasn't really coincidence, it was just that you knew what was going on even when the characters didn't. That's part of the shifting third person perspective. You know what's happening from many different angles, whereas each character only has one distinct view.
But once again I'll say it, they all get a lot better.
Posted: 7/3/2003, 3:43 pm
Daiye Spa Posted: 6/28/2003, 4:03 pm Post subject:
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I think I can join this thread now.
Although I don't want to go back and read too much of it for fear of spoilers.
I also feel somewhat out of place for not feeling like these are the greatest books ever written...
Oh well.
Okay, so here's my deal with WFR (which is the only one I've read so far):
1. Too predictable. Not so much that it sucked, but just enough that I wasn't really surprised by most of the plot turns.
2. Richard really isn't that bright, and Kahlan is just too perfect. Most of the characters were pretty contrived. Zedd was my favorite.
3. Heavy on the cliches. Again, not a bad thing necessarily, but I think he did it too much.
4. Biggest crime of this book: the rules of the magic were there only to serve the plot, not the other way around. "You can't use your magic against Rahl because... you just can't." "You can't fall in love with a Confessor unless... you're just cool enough." Not good. My 10th grade english teacher used to say that an old proverb for fantasy books is that you should "grow real toadstools in imaginary gardens", meaning that the world may be imaginary, but it has to make sense. The magic should be there, but not just to make the plot more convenient. This is what bothered me most about the book. That, and the heavy use of ridiculous coincidences (Siddin just HAPPENED to be in the queen's dungeon, Richard and Kahlan just HAPPENED to find Rachel with the box, the red dragon just HAPPENED to have a weakness Richard could exploit, and so on, and so on)
But anyway. I'll get Stone of Tears next time I have money and access to a bookstore.
Thank you SOOOOOOOOOOOO much for that!!! Last time i brought up the same issues they all jumped on me. But it's true. The plot is see-through, in part because of the magic thing, and the characterization is awful.
For something similar only better, check out Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series. I do have my beefs with it too - such as books 4, 5, and 6 - which were basically fillers. But it gets better from there. Nine was sooooo good, but i was let down with ten.
Anybody here read Jordan?? Opinions??
As for LOTR - people call it great because it was one of the first. But really, I don't think it would be considered as good if it were released today. The Two Towers, especially. Do we really need a description of every leaf of every tree?
For you folks who were drooling over Wizard's First Rule coming out with a new cover - the second book in the series also has one. The publisher is probably redoing the whole series in anticipation of Naked Empire coming out.
Posted: 7/22/2003, 5:05 pm
I changed the name of the thread back so people actually know what the hell it's about.
Well, Naked Empire is out. Anyone else pick it up or planning to?
I've started reading it, and it's good so far. Not much has happened, but there are a bunch of little things building up speed.
The book starts off more or less exactly where PoC left off.
Terry's getting better at going over things that happened before. He does it a lot more subtly than before. It's still obvious, but it's better.
Well, Naked Empire is out. Anyone else pick it up or planning to?
I've started reading it, and it's good so far. Not much has happened, but there are a bunch of little things building up speed.
The book starts off more or less exactly where PoC left off.
Terry's getting better at going over things that happened before. He does it a lot more subtly than before. It's still obvious, but it's better.
Posted: 8/7/2003, 6:47 pm
Jesus Fucking Christ, this book is great. There's a lot of talking in it though. A lot of speeches. But they're all good.
Plus, the action sequences are great. Getting more graphic all the time.
The whole book was good up to one point. Good, but not great. Then there's this one chapter that was just perfectly orgasmic. Seriously. There was something that I'd hoped Goodkind would do. There was a little tiny hint a little earlier that it might happen. Then he kind of debunked that hint with an alternate explaination. Then the thing that I wanted to happen happened. It was orgasmic. I can't say more than that, or I'll give it away.
I'm not quite done yet. There's not much left in the book, and there's still some major problems that need to be solved immediately, so they won't be cliffhangers (there will, of course, be some cliffhangers, but many of the good problems are immediate). So, I'm going to be getting some Uber-orgasmic reading here in the next few days.
Alex, I repeat. You HAVE to get this now. I need someone to talk to about this book! It's that good! It's not as political as FotF. But there is some of that, and the plot is good enough that what there is is more than enough.
I'm about to burst at the seams. I need someone to read this so I can talk to them!
Plus, the action sequences are great. Getting more graphic all the time.
The whole book was good up to one point. Good, but not great. Then there's this one chapter that was just perfectly orgasmic. Seriously. There was something that I'd hoped Goodkind would do. There was a little tiny hint a little earlier that it might happen. Then he kind of debunked that hint with an alternate explaination. Then the thing that I wanted to happen happened. It was orgasmic. I can't say more than that, or I'll give it away.
I'm not quite done yet. There's not much left in the book, and there's still some major problems that need to be solved immediately, so they won't be cliffhangers (there will, of course, be some cliffhangers, but many of the good problems are immediate). So, I'm going to be getting some Uber-orgasmic reading here in the next few days.
Alex, I repeat. You HAVE to get this now. I need someone to talk to about this book! It's that good! It's not as political as FotF. But there is some of that, and the plot is good enough that what there is is more than enough.
I'm about to burst at the seams. I need someone to read this so I can talk to them!
Posted: 8/7/2003, 7:06 pm
but but
i'm stuck here until next thursday
i'm stuck here until next thursday
Posted: 8/7/2003, 7:18 pm
Okay, fine. But promise me you'll get the hardcover when you get home! 