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Posted: 5/13/2004, 2:10 pm
by Henrietta
No, because I've never heard of what you're talking about. All I'm saying is that I'm not going to come in here, list my values, and then let you and other people rip apart how YOU see that Bush doesn't meet them.

Posted: 5/13/2004, 2:10 pm
by I AM ME
uhhh excuse are you guys denying it or not?

and are you also denying that America had water, electricty, hospitals and schools?

Posted: 5/13/2004, 2:10 pm
by Bandalero
I AM ME wrote:Bush has had several dealings with the Bin Laden family and he knew DAMN WELL what they were doing.

Spain dealt with a similar tragdey recently and they handeled it much better.

Tell me how death, rape, abuse, and oppression stops kids from growing up hating North America


Just because he was in with the family that doesn't mean he knew what osama was doing. This family disowned this guy. Spain voted for a guy simply because of the attacks, they haven't handled anything better then the US, quite the contrary, they let the attack change their perception of who should win their election. It was an off the cuff move by them.

None, because the bi-product of old world philosophy hates anything that is precieved to be greedy and not spiritually sound. and because of our situation in reguard to money and power, they see us as greedy and not spiritually sound

Posted: 5/13/2004, 2:12 pm
by Henrietta
What does your last post even mean I ME?

Posted: 5/13/2004, 2:16 pm
by I AM ME
are you denying that America put Saddam in power, gave him a key to Detroit?

And also are you denying that Iraq already had schools, hospitals, water, and electricty?

Posted: 5/13/2004, 2:23 pm
by Joanne
Iraq did have schools and other facilities. Saddam wasnt keen on letting his people use them

Posted: 5/13/2004, 2:24 pm
by Henrietta
The key to Detroit, I know nothing about so I can't say.

And I agree with Joanne on the second.

Posted: 5/13/2004, 2:31 pm
by I AM ME
so.........



What has Bush done useful to our landmass?

Posted: 5/13/2004, 2:34 pm
by Henrietta
I already said what I thought.

Posted: 5/13/2004, 2:36 pm
by I AM ME
that he had the guts to invade a country the fraction of America's size that had no capability of attacking your country?

how did that help america

Posted: 5/13/2004, 2:41 pm
by Henrietta
Why would we want to sit around and let terrorist groups feel successful and plan the next one?

Posted: 5/13/2004, 2:42 pm
by Joanne
I AM ME wrote:so.........



What has Bush done useful to our landmass?


Nothing good except show that we can get and evil dicator out of power. But he has done nothing to harm our country, personally

Posted: 5/13/2004, 2:45 pm
by I AM ME
i'm not denying that action needed to be taken against osama. Obviously it did. where does Iraq figure in to all of this?

Posted: 5/13/2004, 4:42 pm
by wanan
If Bush wins this upcoming election it will show the ridiculous lengths some Americans will go to to support their party. Having "guts" does not simply make a good president. He has lied, gained support for a war by using fear against his own people (by making imaginary links between Iraq and terrorists. Where's the WMD's?), demolished the division of church and state and created dangerous situations within his own country and around the world with his 'you're either with us or against us' bullshit. And that's only a few of his misdeeds.

I totally agree I AM ME, it seems to be a lot about pride or party lines or, unfortunately, ignorance. (by the way, did you enjoy the snow that past couple days? Got me out of a couple days of work:)

Posted: 5/13/2004, 9:56 pm
by Narbus
70x7 wrote:Why would we want to sit around and let terrorist groups feel successful and plan the next one?


Ok. An analogy.

Let's say there's a guy named Jack. Jack has a bit of a nasty cold. The doctor recommends that to cure the cold, Jack should have his arm amputated. Is it good that Jack has his arm amputated, because "at least he's doing something?" Or is it possible that "just doing something," when that something isn't carefully and intelligently planned out, may actually be a greater detriment to people than doing nothing at all?

Posted: 5/13/2004, 10:04 pm
by modern psychokitty
:O

Which arm? Is it the one he writes with?

Posted: 5/13/2004, 10:20 pm
by I AM ME
wanan wrote:If Bush wins this upcoming election it will show the ridiculous lengths some Americans will go to to support their party. Having "guts" does not simply make a good president. He has lied, gained support for a war by using fear against his own people (by making imaginary links between Iraq and terrorists. Where's the WMD's?), demolished the division of church and state and created dangerous situations within his own country and around the world with his 'you're either with us or against us' bullshit. And that's only a few of his misdeeds.

I totally agree I AM ME, it seems to be a lot about pride or party lines or, unfortunately, ignorance. (by the way, did you enjoy the snow that past couple days? Got me out of a couple days of work:)



woo rock on fellow toban! Oh and that snow yesterday was unreal, its the middle of may for christs sake! But it did get me out of school and work

Posted: 5/18/2004, 2:29 pm
by Neil
Cass, I love ya to death but you seriously think G-Dub has GUTS!? :lol: The man wanted Saddam out of power because Saddam had a bounty on Bush Sr.'s head. It was a matter of revenge.
The American public has been nothing but a "pawn" for Bush to do something that the Bush Family has wanted to do for a long time now.
Using the WMD's was mainly a cop-out excuse. They've known since 1991 that there was at least some sorta WMD activity, but they never REALLY knew of the whereabouts. I think it was all destroyed or shipped out before the war. (Possibly to Syria? Who knows..)

Bush is a fuck......my parents are Republican. I guess I was a cop-out believing that I had to stand by their beliefs.

Posted: 5/18/2004, 2:40 pm
by Henrietta
Yes, you believe they were shipped off. How is that better, supplying others? Also, [i]I[i/] believe that the US goverment doesn't make you aware of everything it does know and doesn't know. Security is an issue.

Posted: 5/18/2004, 3:39 pm
by hpdfk
Except over the summer the Bush administration admitted to having trouble finding the WMDs. Us Americans have short attention spans so he's ignored that issues completley now and moved to one that suits him better.