New Post/interview from Raine and Steve

nikki4982 · Post by **nikki4982** » 9/19/2003, 8:50 am

Double cd... :drool:

Baby Thief · Post by **Baby Thief** » 9/19/2003, 12:29 pm

Hmm, i've got a couple of thoughts about raine's words

I have to say, maybe he realises that gravity was not good. I mean he keeps on saying that it is not going to sound anything like gravity. WHich is a very good thing

I am also sad that he can't assure us that the new songs will make the record... i really really like talk is cheap, i really hope that makes the cd.

Jeni · Post by **Jeni** » 9/19/2003, 12:38 pm

I am ESTATIC he said it wont be gravity part 2

That just makes my day!!! I am sooooo excited!!

Tattooed Angels · Post by **Tattooed Angels** » 9/19/2003, 12:56 pm

They have always said that the next cd will not sound like the previous one. If you listen to the Cd's, you will see that no two sound alike. Yes there are some similarites, but overall each CD is different. To last in this buisness you must be able to grow as a musician and a singer/songwriter. I look forward to the new stuff.

the idea of a double Cd sounds cool aslo. But hwo knows, these songs can come out somewhere in the future. I think it was Nikki who said thanks for bootlegs. Although I still haven't heard Talk Is Cheap(no hub access for me). this would not be the first time OLP have done new material live that didn't make the Cd. look at Trapeze and Yourself. Those two songs haven't been on any CD, but were done live. I think out of all the songs we heard live that Not Afraid and Wipe That Smile Off Your Face have abetter chance then others of making the record. I would like to see Walking In Circles make it also. They can also release a CD with 15-17 tracks onit. Look at Red Hot Chilli Pepper CD's. They don't have to keep it to 10 or 11 track sas previous Cd's have been excpet SM(15 tracks in all, though only about 10 are music). We will just have towait and see. I am looking forward to it for 2 main reasons.

1) This is the first CD where Steve has some kind of input from start to finish. Gravity was pretty much done when he joined and he only plays on 3 tracks
2) they have gone back to a 4 piece band again.

I only wish them luck with all of this. I know that most of us, if not all will still support the band. Every band is entitled to release material that the fans may not be happy with sometimes in the career.

skip · Post by **skip** » 9/19/2003, 12:57 pm

i think that talk is cheap and no warning are almost forgot about to them if you ask me..id put money they wont be on the cd..i hope the rest are tho

Random Name · Post by **Random Name** » 9/19/2003, 1:08 pm

my perspective is that if WTSOYF and circles and not afraid arn't on it, then the new stuff is damn good and is better then those songs. and that is definately something to look forward to.

I AM ME · Post by **I AM ME** » 9/19/2003, 2:33 pm

i think it would be cool if OLP kinda "went nuts" like some bands do. You know did everything they wanted to, and released a "Comercial Sales Suicide" record. Lots of bands have done it and got away with it

Baby Thief · Post by **Baby Thief** » 9/19/2003, 2:46 pm

I will personally be incredibly disapointed if talk is cheap is dropped, and it probably will be since they have only played it a little bit.

I'm sure wtsoyf will be on it. They love that song and will probably do everything they can to keep it on the record.

areusad831 · Post by **areusad831** » 9/19/2003, 3:32 pm

Clumsyboy wrote:i think it would be cool if OLP kinda "went nuts" like some bands do. You know did everything they wanted to, and released a "Comercial Sales Suicide" record. Lots of bands have done it and got away with it

they did that with spiritual machines, they failed.

Nimoy · Post by **Nimoy** » 9/19/2003, 3:39 pm

By "failed" do you mean in US album sales? Cause it did pretty good in Canada and certainly wasn't a musical failure.

Dabekk · Post by **Dabekk** » 9/19/2003, 3:50 pm

areusad831 wrote:
Clumsyboy wrote:i think it would be cool if OLP kinda "went nuts" like some bands do. You know did everything they wanted to, and released a "Comercial Sales Suicide" record. Lots of bands have done it and got away with it

they did that with spiritual machines, they failed.

they've kind of said that that album was very much for the fans, and it went over incredibly well with the fans so I wouldn't call it a failure.

Sufjan Stevens · Post by **Sufjan Stevens** » 9/19/2003, 3:53 pm

Yeah, it was for the fans, but they wouldn't release singles from the cd in the US (beyond Life) and they complained about lackluster sales, leading them to rush back into the studio and record Gravity. They thought it was a failure, because it sold for shit in the US.

Dabekk · Post by **Dabekk** » 9/19/2003, 3:57 pm

I guess so, it's just that in MY mind I will never be able to think of sm as a failure.

Anyway, speaking of olp having to cut songs from the next album, it would be great if they released some of the outtakes as b-sides to their singles.

Sufjan Stevens · Post by **Sufjan Stevens** » 9/19/2003, 4:34 pm

I certainly don't think Spiritual Machines was a failure, hell, it was probably the best album of 2002 in my opinion. But when you're a musician, cd sales make or break your opinion of a cd. That is why Weezer felt Pinkerton was a failure, even though it was, by far, their best cd. I think OLP opened with 20,000 cds sold their first week in America, which is pretty bad for a band on OLP's level. That was the band's fault though, considering they released SM in Canada 3 months before they released it in America, and people got sick of waiting and either downloaded the cd or went over to Canada to buy it, like I did. Now if OLP were smart, they would have released the cd in America at the same time, and released In Repair as a single here, but this is all in hindsight, even if it's common sense.

He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named · Post by **He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named** » 9/19/2003, 5:00 pm

I agree. I think if In Repair wered released down here that MTV would eat up the video...

They love that crazy shit in videos (ala Fell In Love With a Girl). I think In Repair is an amazing video and would have gotten OLP some record sales down here.

Staley · Post by **Staley** » 9/19/2003, 11:44 pm

Clumsyboy wrote:i think it would be cool if OLP kinda "went nuts" like some bands do. You know did everything they wanted to, and released a "Comercial Sales Suicide" record. Lots of bands have done it and got away with it

they have done that already... twice... <cough> happinness <cough> spiritual machines <cough>

Tattooed Angels · Post by **Tattooed Angels** » 9/20/2003, 2:04 pm

Rufus Wainwright wrote:Yeah, it was for the fans, but they wouldn't release singles from the cd in the US (beyond Life) and they complained about lackluster sales, leading them to rush back into the studio and record Gravity. They thought it was a failure, because it sold for shit in the US.

where did you read or hear that they complained about lackluster sales and that is why they rushed Gravity. I thought from what I have heard and read that Gravity came about from them going into to do the live CD. Since Bob Rock had time they did a whole CD because they had material. Also just In Repair and Life were released in Canada also. Mafia was never really released as an offical single. It was for fan club only members.-Jusy liek Imagine and Piano version of Juia were.

BTW, Except for Clumsy and Gravity, all of OLP's CD's didn't Sell as you say in the States. I guess they are all failures. I can tell you the band has said to me and in print on numerous occasions they don't care about all that stuff. I for one believe them. Why should they lie about that?

Sufjan Stevens · Post by **Sufjan Stevens** » 9/20/2003, 3:18 pm

Why would anyone come out and say, "We make music to make a profit off the fans"? People can lie. If someone in the band said they made music only to make money, I would probably stop listening to them. That is what every band does, release albumns to make money, or else they would keep the music to themselves.

Here's a fun recap of their cds. Naveed was a debut cd and had two big songs, Naveed and Starseed, do very well here in the Detroit area. It didn't sell well because it wasn't an easily accessable sound.

Clumsy was huge for them, we all know that. Enough said.

Happiness... might not have huge numbers overall like Clumsy did, but the cd did debut pretty high, like 20 or something like that, when downloading music online wasn't really that large of an option. That cd sold well. Sure, it hasn't gone gold here in America, but it did sell well.

Spiritual Machines was a failure for OLP. They fucked up by releasing it three months earlier in Canada than in the US. They fucked their sales because the hardcore fans of OLP went over to Canada or ordered the cd off the internet, or just downloaded it. That is why SM debuted horribly, like at #70, when it came out in the states. OLP only released one US single, Life, and that song didn't go over well in the states. Hell, their most successful single, Right Behind You, wasn't even a single, but a song the radio played for the hell of it. Had they released SM at the same time as in Canada, the cd would have sold much better than it did.

Gravity was a shame. That is all I have to say about that.

Tattooed Angels · Post by **Tattooed Angels** » 9/20/2003, 3:42 pm

Rufus Wainwright wrote:Why would anyone come out and say, "We make music to make a profit off the fans"? People can lie. If someone in the band said they made music only to make money, I would probably stop listening to them. That is what every band does, release albumns to make money, or else they would keep the music to themselves.

Here's a fun recap of their cds. Naveed was a debut cd and had two big songs, Naveed and Starseed, do very well here in the Detroit area. It didn't sell well because it wasn't an easily accessable sound.

Clumsy was huge for them, we all know that. Enough said.

Happiness... might not have huge numbers overall like Clumsy did, but the cd did debut pretty high, like 20 or something like that, when downloading music online wasn't really that large of an option. That cd sold well. Sure, it hasn't gone gold here in America, but it did sell well.

Spiritual Machines was a failure for OLP. They fucked up by releasing it three months earlier in Canada than in the US. They fucked their sales because the hardcore fans of OLP went over to Canada or ordered the cd off the internet, or just downloaded it. That is why SM debuted horribly, like at #70, when it came out in the states. OLP only released one US single, Life, and that song didn't go over well in the states. Hell, their most successful single, Right Behind You, wasn't even a single, but a song the radio played for the hell of it. Had they released SM at the same time as in Canada, the cd would have sold much better than it did.

Gravity was a shame. That is all I have to say about that.

Where did Happiness go in top 20? On Billboard? News to me.

You know you keep saying how well OLP do in Detroit. I should hope so since Detroit is close to Toronto. That is like saying they do well in Buffalo or Rochester. You aren't that far from the border.

How is MAFIA their most successful single? What radio stations played the hell out of it? I was friends with a dj in Toronto and she told me it was never released as radio single. If you are talking in the states(biggest single) it is definitely Somewhere Out There. That song was on 3 different charts. Modern Rock, Adult and Top 40. ALot of OLP's songs were huge Modern Rock Hits. Life was actually just outside the top 20 Modern Rock Hits. I know OMA, Starseed, Superman's Dead, Clumsy were also big Modern Rock hits.

I never go by what a chart says, but by the audiences. At the SM shows I attended alot of the audience knew alot of the songs-stuff like Are You Sad, If you Believe-not just the singles. I go by the audience respones. No matter what OLP are doing on the chart, they have been doing well live. Sure they aren't palying huge arenas here like Canada, but they do okay for themselves. I just saw some shows with 3DD and it was amazing how many OLP fans there were at the shows.

Oh and there are bands that say we are in it for the money. Not very often, but they are there.

Sufjan Stevens · Post by **Sufjan Stevens** » 9/20/2003, 4:38 pm

I was talking about their biggest Spiritual Machines single being Right Behind You. That is why I said that in the review of Spiritual Machines. I make sense like that.

Happiness debuted either at 20 or just below back in 99. I can check that our for you if you want.

I agree with you about the OLP live stuff, I never doubted the real fans knew the songs.