you are losing the war

happening fish · Post by **happening fish** » 3/28/2003, 10:34 am

Your country wouldn't exist without the French.

mosaik · Post by **mosaik** » 3/28/2003, 10:34 am

http://electroniciraq.net/news/394.shtml

Oh the glorious victories of the amerikans!

liam · Post by **liam** » 3/28/2003, 1:33 pm

happeninfish wrote:Your country wouldn't exist without the French.

the french wouldn't exist without us, Hitler would have killed them all and we should have let him. the French haven;t helped us since the revolution. And the French when the german's came into France the france asked us to come help them and we did. Now when we did that who didn't help us get the germans out of France? Anyone? THE FRENCH DIDN'T HELP! And i can't remember which war they were supposed to come and help in with us and then two days after the war ended they came in for the pictures.

NOw someone tell me, if the French are so great then why did war veterans from WWII send back their Medals from France for protecting them

Venom · Post by **Venom** » 3/28/2003, 3:36 pm

happeninfish wrote:
Your country wouldn't exist without the French.

the french wouldn't exist without us, Hitler would have killed them all and we should have let him. the French haven;t helped us since the revolution. And the French when the german's came into France the france asked us to come help them and we did. Now when we did that who didn't help us get the germans out of France? Anyone? THE FRENCH DIDN'T HELP! And i can't remember which war they were supposed to come and help in with us and then two days after the war ended they came in for the pictures.

Now someone tell me, if the French are so great then why did war veterans from WWII send back their Medals from France for protecting them

GO LIAM!!!! I was about to reply almost the exact same thing when I saw that rediculous post, but you have done it for me. The French are the biggest pacifists in the world. They are the coward of the world. Germany took the whole country of France in 2 weeks!!! THE US came in and gave them their country back!!! If it was right to do it for them why is it not right to liberate the Iraqi's from Saddam and his family tree???? Who cares if we lose them as an ally? They need us a hell of a lot more than we need them. I bet they come crying if terrorists attack them again. As for losing soldiers fish we have lost nothing compared to the Iraqi troops. Its war lives are lost. If it were not for war your country would not exist either. So you protesting war is the same as protesting against your life and the all that it involves. You are so ungrateful just like the French.

Narbus · Post by **Narbus** » 3/28/2003, 3:52 pm

hollow minds wrote:saddam = bad guy

when have i ever argued different? my point has always been this:

In one thread, that I would find if I really cared, you actually said you were tired of defending Saddam.

and the world IS black and white.

So. Sports can be complex issues with shades of grey and plenty of room for debate. But morality and the entirety of how we should live our lives is so simple as to have no shades?

Sure.

happening fish · Post by **happening fish** » 3/28/2003, 3:58 pm

Um, just a teeny logical point here, but neither Venom nor Liam nullified my point that your country wouldn't exist with the French because... um... it wouldn't.

Venom · Post by **Venom** » 3/28/2003, 4:01 pm

If you are referring to the Revolution you're crazy. We did not need the French for that.

happening fish · Post by **happening fish** » 3/28/2003, 4:03 pm

Haha, no, some piddly little halfass colony was gonna take the world's largest and most powerful Empire on and win. YOU FUCKING MORON.

Venom · Post by **Venom** » 3/28/2003, 4:03 pm

And as Liam said there wouldn't be a France anymore without the US. I don't see what point you are trying to make. You think we should do what the French say because they helped us with the British?? Well if thats the case since we saved the French's ass in WWII then they should be grateful and support us now!

happening fish · Post by **happening fish** » 3/28/2003, 4:05 pm

Venom wrote:I don't see what point you are trying to make.

If you would stop being such an asshole for half a second and actually read what I had to say, you would know that my point was this:

happeninfish wrote:On one hand, you are winning battles in Iraq, and perhaps also a regime change. However, you are losing some of your oldest and staunchest allies. You are losing huge amounts of respect around the world. You are losing your position in the global mindset as a fair arbitrer of peace. You are losing the faith of many many middle eastern people in the wisdom of the West. You are losing the lives of your citizens. All things considered, I would say you are losing...

I said you were losing. You called me names and claimed I did not back up my claim with reasons, and I provided them. The end.

Neil · Post by **Neil** » 3/28/2003, 4:25 pm

I'm trying to break all the tension on this thread by mooning you guys!

(|)

Johnny · Post by **Johnny** » 3/28/2003, 5:59 pm

Ewww.

Crack Kills

I AM ME · Post by **I AM ME** » 3/28/2003, 6:01 pm

i se this turning out alot liek Vietnam, sure teh american army is more powerful and could brute force teh battle and just win by shear amount of soliders and weaponry, but they could have done so in nam to, but it was getting to the point where more lives were being lost then was worth it, and just one last thing, please don't call down other countries in the world becaus eyour government has taught you to hate them, France has always been excellent friends with America, THAT'S why america came to there aid, France would come to Areica's aid but frankly they don't need it, and it's a war they do not beleive in, if america didn't believe in teh evil of Hitler they wouldn't have come to save France, over one year the french have become evil? how could century long allies become evil over a disagreement of morals?

Venom · Post by **Venom** » 3/28/2003, 6:25 pm

On one hand, you are winning battles in Iraq, and perhaps also a regime change. However, you are losing some of your oldest and staunchest allies. You are losing huge amounts of respect around the world. You are losing your position in the global mindset as a fair arbitrer of peace. You are losing the faith of many many middle eastern people in the wisdom of the West. You are losing the lives of your citizens. All things considered, I would say you are losing...

Iraq I think is losing more. We can't please everyone. You are too young to remember Gulf War I, but not everyone agreed with that. If we really cared about what France, Russia, and China thought we wouldn't have gone. The only middle eastern people that are "losing faith" are the ones who hate us already. Kuwait is with us, the Turks are with us......I still see no point.

happening fish · Post by **happening fish** » 3/28/2003, 6:36 pm

There are people in every single fucking country rioting in the streets, burning effigies of your president and spray-painting your restaurant franchises, etc. You think you'd get a fucking clue.

Venom · Post by **Venom** » 3/28/2003, 6:45 pm

Palestinians and other Islamic radicals are burning flags etc. Other protestors here in the US are infringing on the rights of the citizens around them by blocking traffic and preventing people from working, picking up their children from daycare, etc. They can protest without being assholes. These people have no jobs and just like to cause trouble and to get their faces on TV.

happening fish · Post by **happening fish** » 3/28/2003, 6:51 pm

Go watch some news that's not North American. By "countries around the world" I mean most of the major European ones as well. You've pretty much gotten yourselves un-invited from most of them, including France, Spain, Italy, Greece, Portugal, etc. etc. etc. etc. That's okay, maybe your tourists can visit Somalia or something.

People around the world are uniting against your country. SURELY that means something! You are but one country...

Axtech · Post by **Axtech** » 3/28/2003, 6:52 pm

Any other kind of protest wouldn't get any attention. The point of a protest is for people who have no voice (in this "democratic" country) to be heard. Standing on a street corner with a sign gets protestors nothing but ignored. These actions need to be taken by people to get their point across. Certainly these people could have chosen better methods of protest, but laying in the middle of a busy street is a damned good way to show how passionate they are about their cause.

Johnny · Post by **Johnny** » 3/28/2003, 6:54 pm

Those protesters need to get a life

happening fish · Post by **happening fish** » 3/28/2003, 6:56 pm

Maybe they can take the ones you're stealing from Iraqi civilians.