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Bandalero wrote:wouldn't it be through an IV? if so they have a machine that allows certain dosages at certain intervals, and it will lock you out when it's been to close since your last dosage.


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I've had that a couple of times. They give you a little button to press when you're in pain and then you get an extra bit of the morphine but it's got a thing on it so that you can't give yourself too much.

Are you sure they were morphine pills you got Sonya? Cos over here I'm sure they'd never let you have them to take home. Even when I had morphine not in an IV (I had to drink it from a syringe thingy) they had to have a senior nurse come and oversee what was going on so nothing went wrong - it's really highly controlled.
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I've had morphine pills. :drool:
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:O Maybe it's a BC thing.

Morphine makes me sick :(
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low dose morphine pills wont accomplish much in terms of extreme pain
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sooz - yep, they were morphine pills.

sand - true. but it helped a LOT after minor knee surgery. :nod:
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oh im not doubting that
i just mean from the standpoint of when marijuana would be prescribed, as in the case of the lady who had the inoperable brain tumour in that article
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Yes, there is a machine that allows people to manage their pain. The MD will put in the necessary medication and the proper dosage. Then the machine will be locked tight, to prevent tampering. So the patient will be able to administer the med's themselves via IV. They will no be able to OD while using it either.
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This whole way of controlling morphine sounds a lot more expensive and complicated than just letting people use marijuana to ease the pain. What about those who suffer from Glycoma(sp)?

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there are other dosages and other medicines that can help with more severe pains.

Glaucoma is either treated with medication (most often in the form of eye drops), surgery, or, in some cases, both. Both eye drops and surgery work by helping the fluid to drain from the eye and/or decreasing the amount of fluid that is produced in the eye.

Glaucoma medications come in different strengths and combinations. Doctors try to use the smallest amount of medication that offers you the best results with the fewest side effects. Medications must be taken on a daily, regular basis to control the pressure in your eye. Most medications have some side effects. Usually, these side effects lessen after a few weeks.


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True. Marijuana however does not have any major side effects....well not harmful ones anyway, and it is a lot easier to use than eye drops, and less risky/expensive/time consuming/invasive than surgery.

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smoking anything isn't good for the lungs and causes serious problems down the road, as do all medicines. so why not take the pill form of pot?
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my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
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if your going to die from a brain tumour anyways hows it matter how you relieve your pain or atleast its long term effects?
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my grandpa lived 13 years with prostate cancer, and when he died his heart was still beating for about 15 minutes after he was gone.

who's to say this woman is an organ donor, and someone could have good use of her organs, in particular her lungs?
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if she has cancer, chances are they wouldnt be transplanting those
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here's another question i want to ask.

when people are in pain and the modern medicines don't cut it for them, why do they run to pot and not any other herbal remedy?
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usually due to its scientific proven benefits
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by the way, when my grandfather passed and his heart was still beating, the doctor wanted the heart, and asked for it three times.
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Did your family give it to him?
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oh really, and how many scientific studies have been done on pot?

how many studies have been done on chickweed tea that lowers sugars for diabetes?

how many have been done to prove that corn silk tea clears up urinary infections?

how many have been done to prove that lavender calms the nervous system and relaxes the muscles?

do you see where i'm going with this?
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my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
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http://my.webmd.com/content/article/73/81986.htm
http://my.webmd.com/content/article/13/1691_50149.htm
http://my.webmd.com/content/article/49/40012.htm

research can be done
and has been

i personally have no problem with alternative medicine
the key to it however is to do it properly and have it be effective

in terms of where these folks get the marijuana, its simple, the government
they can clearly and effectively grow it in a controlled manner which results in safe and effective pain control and without dealers or the like getting or seeing any money out of it
go fuck yourself.
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