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I AM ME wrote:the problem is lots of people agree with the NDP, but we all believe they're not a big enough contender so we don't vote for them, but they never can become a big contender unless people vote for them. So they're stuck in a dead spot of mostly the same people voting for them.

Also having to split their votes with the green party this year is even worse for them

You make a good point. Another reason I'm voting liberal though is that I feel the liberal candidate is the best candidate in our riding.

thats the best way to vote, dont worry about the partys leaders or what thier polocys are, worry about the candidate in your riding

yeah, im going to go to the candidate's debate on thursday in my riding. you know, to choose who i WOULD vote for if i wasnt 16...

seriously though, i want to find out what each candidate is all about.

thirdhour wrote:seriously though, i want to find out what each candidate is all about.

don't you mean aboot?

*backs away from canadian thread*

vote for the conservatives.

fat chance.

mosaik wrote:vote for the conservatives.

I think I would if I wasn't worried about what they might do on moral issues such as gay marriages and abortions... Even though I'm not a woman, or a homosexual, I feel like if my gf were to get pregnant and wanted an abortion that she should be able to, or if one of my friends was gay and they fell in love with someone, they should be able to marry them if they choose to do so.


I just don't like how the tories are trying to make Canada a "little America".

J-Neli wrote:

I AM ME wrote:the problem is lots of people agree with the NDP, but we all believe they're not a big enough contender so we don't vote for them, but they never can become a big contender unless people vote for them. So they're stuck in a dead spot of mostly the same people voting for them.

Also having to split their votes with the green party this year is even worse for them

You make a good point. Another reason I'm voting liberal though is that I feel the liberal candidate is the best candidate in our riding.

I'm in a tough situation. I want to vote NDP, but that just takes another vote away from the liberals who are in jeopardy of losing the election. I'd rather not see a Conservative government in power. We all remember what happened the last time we had a Conservative government. am i better of wasting my vote on NDP or taking my chance by wasting my vote on the liberals? either way, as i see it, i'm wasting my vote. (Joe Comartin is the candidate in our riding, and I believe he was runner up in the NDP leadership convention- he's actually done quite well and a lot of people in our area respect him)

i think i like NDP too.


but i cant stand politicians either way.

J-Neli wrote:

mosaik wrote:vote for the conservatives.

I think I would if I wasn't worried about what they might do on moral issues such as gay marriages and abortions... Even though I'm not a woman, or a homosexual, I feel like if my gf were to get pregnant and wanted an abortion that she should be able to, or if one of my friends was gay and they fell in love with someone, they should be able to marry them if they choose to do so.


I just don't like how the tories are trying to make Canada a "little America".

on top of that the conservatives plan on putting $7 billion into the military in the next 5 years

I'm againts abortion. Therefore i'm all for the conservatives.. wait.. i stated this earlier didnt I. *odd sense of Deja Vu*

sorry, Joe, are you voting conservative because you agree with them on just one issue?

Not to mention it being an issue that will never become a reality as it defies our charter of right's and freedoms.

can a liberal and conservitive have a debate without screaming at each other, every debate iv seen the two scream back and forth and the other parties just sit back and laugh

mosaik wrote:sorry, Joe, are you voting conservative because you agree with them on just one issue?

No I agree with them on a number of issues. However I dont agree with them on others.

J-Neli wrote:Not to mention it being an issue that will never become a reality as it defies our charter of right's and freedoms.

See thats where you and I are different. You live by the charter, I live by my own moral standings. A lot of what I believe goes with the charter but on the issue of abortion, it does not.

Secondly does the charter not say that

"Everyone has the right to LIFE, liberty and security of the person and the right not to be deprived thereof except in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice."

Thus the issue comes down to whether a fetus is a person and if you want to look into that arguement just look a few pages back. And if you do consider a fetus a person (which I do) why does a mothers choice override the right of the fetus to live.

deniedjunkie wrote:can a liberal and conservitive have a debate without screaming at each other, every debate iv seen the two scream back and forth and the other parties just sit back and laugh

A political debate without screaming would have to involve the removal of vocal chords.

...which would actually probably help some politicians.

just a comment on the rights of a fetus.

we know that rights are a product of natural law. for instance, we know man has the right to act because to say otherwise requires action. man acting is an axiom - it happens on it's own and is part of mans nature.

a fetus, however, does not occur "naturally" like, for instance, man acting. a fetus is a result of an action, the cluster of cells that is created as a product of sexual intercourse. therefore, an argument could be made that the fetus lives in the mother by permission and not right.

i think jim brings the charter up not because he neccessarily believes it to be 'morally correct' but because since the charter dictates to some extent what laws are passable, a law prohibiting abortion is impossible in canada's current political climate.

Ahh yes. Thus I vote for the conservatives in order to change that "political climate." Even if the law wont change, that doesnt mean I stop caring about it.

You are entitled to your opinion, and you have the right to not to have an abortion should you not want one (if you were a woman...), but at the same time those who believe abortion is right should be entitled to that right, especially considering the large numbers on both sides of the coin.

You may say "yes but if a group of people believe murder is right, they surely shouldn't be entitled to killing people" which is correct, only because maybe a miniscule portion of the population (maybe 0.00001%) may find it justifiable. In the case of abortion, although there are no official numbers there can be anywhere from a 50/50 split to 80/20 in either direction. Therefore, one group can't force their beliefs onto another.

That many be true but how many women out there grew to believe abortion was ok simply because it was made legal? In many ways abortion just gives a teenager a way out of facing their parents, or keeping their bf. I'm not arguing with you here, i'm just wondering how many people out there would believe it was alright if it were illegal.

Anyway I have a question for you all. Theres a new bill trying to be put in place (Bill C-250) that could make refusing to marry a gay couple an offense as well as labelling the Bible "Hate literature". In my oppinion, doing so would violate a groups freedom of religion. Thoughts?