Burn Burn: The Reviews

OLPManiac · Post by **OLPManiac** » 8/22/2009, 4:52 am

RileyLewis wrote:OLPManiac, I would also love it if Paper Moon were a single.

I think that Paper Moon in some way is better than some song of first four album....certainly is one of best song of last years....

Heavy Alibi · Post by **Heavy Alibi** » 8/22/2009, 5:30 am

For me as great as Paper Moon is, it's still just an echo of what OLP's music used to be. I don't think I'd necessarily rank it higher than any pre-2002 track.

RileyLewis · Post by **RileyLewis** » 8/22/2009, 11:44 am

I'd put it higher than probably half of Clumsy and Naveed, and a few off Happiness and SM. Only a few off of Gravity or HIPT could challenge it. Bring Back the Sun, maybe.

LifeRiot · Post by **LifeRiot** » 8/22/2009, 12:49 pm

RileyLewis wrote:I'd put it higher than probably half of Clumsy and Naveed, and a few off Happiness and SM. Only a few off of Gravity or HIPT could challenge it. Bring Back the Sun, maybe.

That was the most difficult thing I have seen since Battlefield Earth.

:lol:

Shanae · Post by **Shanae** » 8/22/2009, 5:19 pm

RileyLewis wrote:I'd put it higher than probably half of Clumsy and Naveed, and a few off Happiness and SM. Only a few off of Gravity or HIPT could challenge it. Bring Back the Sun, maybe.

Yeah but half of Clumsy wasn't all that great. Hello Oskar really bothers me.

ivewaited · Post by **ivewaited** » 8/22/2009, 7:38 pm

i listened to burn burn on my huge stereo today and whoa, they rock pretty hard on all you did.

doesn't top naveed CD though.
but close.

Codes · Post by **Codes** » 8/23/2009, 7:34 am

The problem is the songs they are choosing for singles are targeting the wrong grouppppppppppp.

They made people know that these was intended as a rock cd, but release two of the poppiest songs on the cd as the first two singles.

But because the songs aren't as poppy as "Somewhere out there" or "innocent" they don't get the play time on both pop/r&B stations like those songs did, so the only option is the rock stations, which also aren't rolling them as much because they are on this border line fence.

So really the best thing to do is to release songs like Monkey brains or Paper moon, because both I think would get this needed play time on the rock stations.

Corey · Post by **Corey** » 8/23/2009, 10:27 am

Shanae wrote:
RileyLewis wrote:I'd put it higher than probably half of Clumsy and Naveed, and a few off Happiness and SM. Only a few off of Gravity or HIPT could challenge it. Bring Back the Sun, maybe.

Yeah but half of Clumsy wasn't all that great. Hello Oskar really bothers me.

That's crazy talk. There isn't a single track off of Burn Burn that comes even close to any track on Clumsy... including Hello Oskar. Clumsy is easily their best album.

MindsOnLoan · Post by **MindsOnLoan** » 8/23/2009, 11:02 am

I don't think Clumsy is their best (Spiritual Machines has that title), but I agree that nothing from Burn Burn quite tops anything from Clumsy.

RileyLewis · Post by **RileyLewis** » 8/23/2009, 12:39 pm

I think SM is their best work as well. I think every song on SM are better than Shaking, Hello Oskar, Let You Down, and probably 100 Aisles. I would put Paper Moon above those as well.

It all comes down to taste. Sure his voice was better on those previous ones, but Paper Moon has a smoother swing to it.

Lando · Post by **Lando** » 8/23/2009, 1:40 pm

Jamie_M wrote:I think that your comment is right on the money.

Lando wrote:Unfortunately, most of the songs he sings on this album are exactly like that. It feels like he's so disconnected from them and is just singing because he has to. However, to be fair, you have to take into account that he's doing multiple jobs with the recording, engineering and mixing of all the tracks. For instance, on the 2nd disc (DVD) of the album during the studio tracks, you can see how focused he is on the sound he's hearing through the headphones.

I can actually relate, because when filming I often have to pay attention closely to make sure there are no audio problems and I do a lot of outdoor/public location filming, so there's always background noise. When you get too focused on listening so carefully to something, you lose a lot of the emotion/creativity for your visual work. It's tough to balance multiple things with great results. It would be the same in a recording studio. If he just let loose and didn't worry about being a methodical vocalist and just went with raw energy and emotion, things might've taken a hell of a lot longer for Raine in post production. Probably a lot more recording takes would've added a lot of hours too... However I think that people can connect to emotion in a song/vocals and can actually feel a band's attachment to the music. It just comes through somehow and listeners detect it. In my opinion that's always going to have a bigger impact on people than making sure everything about a recording, vocal or even instrumental track is perfect and precise. That's when things start to sound a bit uninspired and unfortunately, to me, Raine sounds uninspired and detached emotionally from the vocals on this album. He had a lot to look after and I think that really hurts the final product. I could go on, but for now I'll leave it at that.

In the CNN interview, this is what Steve said:
“Well, we produced this record ourselves. I mean Raine produced it and we lent a hand. And, ahh, one important role a producer plays is always being the outside opinion that’s not as attached to the music. So, ahh, we would leave every one of those ten day sessions, but we wouldn’t take them – the stuff - with us to listen to."

So while the record might be ‘uncompromised’ according to Raine, I’m not sure that by self-producing they can be as artistic and passionate and creative as they once were.

exactly. they're being a lot more technical and methodical than raw and emotional.

OLPManiac · Post by **OLPManiac** » 8/23/2009, 2:17 pm

RileyLewis wrote:I think SM is their best work as well. I think every song on SM are better than Shaking, Hello Oskar, Let You Down, and probably 100 Aisles. I would put Paper Moon above those as well.

It all comes down to taste. Sure his voice was better on those previous ones, but Paper Moon has a smoother swing to it.

The best is Spiritual Machine, for me Paper Moon is best in SOME WAY better than some song of first three album(Spiritual Machine is the best)...it's also true that Paper Moon represented a new style for OLP, the one minute guitar solo is the first time of ever in a studio production of OLP....

Johnny · Post by **Johnny** » 8/23/2009, 3:40 pm

Illusion wrote:Hey Johnny, what did you think about Monkey Brains? Personally, I would throw that one in with one of the "good ones" as well...I thought it had cryptic lyrics along with a bit of experimentation as well as some heavy guitar riffs that we haven't seen since Gravity.

The vocals ruin it for me. He's just so....flat and de-tuned. One of the things that attracted me to their music back in the day was Raine's voice. It was just so......unique and it really added to the music.

Corey · Post by **Corey** » 8/23/2009, 5:59 pm

MindsOnLoan wrote:I don't think Clumsy is their best (Spiritual Machines has that title), but I agree that nothing from Burn Burn quite tops anything from Clumsy.

I admit that it is between Clumsy and Spiritual Machines for me. I go back and forth. Currently it is Clumsy but Spiritual Machines has held that title for a while.

Heavy Alibi · Post by **Heavy Alibi** » 8/24/2009, 1:14 am

SM and Clumsy are fighters for #1 in my book as well. Happiness used to be my #1 but then I realized that as good as Happiness is, it still seems like an extension of Clumsy, while Clumsy and Spiritual Machines are 100% original creativity in their own right. Naveed is amazing too, but nowhere near as original as Clumsy and SM.

Illusion · Post by **Illusion** » 8/24/2009, 11:32 am

RileyLewis wrote:I'd put it higher than probably half of Clumsy and Naveed, and a few off Happiness and SM.

I agree that Paper Moon may beat out Life on SM, but even in Life Raine's voice has so much more strenth and range then it did on Burn Burn I'm still reluctant to give it a win.

MindsOnLoan · Post by **MindsOnLoan** » 8/24/2009, 12:22 pm

I don't really see Happiness as an extention to Clumsy at all... They're both really different. Clumsy has an overall dark sound. It's guitar were more distorted (but not to the extent of the grungy Naveed), Jeremy seemed to do a lot more of his work on the cymbals (but still providing interesting work on the toms and snare), and Raine started using his falsetto but not as prominantly as he does on Happiness.

Happiness' guitars didn't seem as distorted but kept the quirkiness, Jeremy played more to the toms and snare, Duncan had big bursts of bass (although on Clumsy he still had interesting basslines, but he never quite bursted out from the rest of the music; not counting Car Crash), Raine's falsetto was used even more extensively, and it was synthesizer-heavy. Plus it has an overall more uplifting feel to it, despite some dark lyrics in some songs.

m2 · Post by m2 » 8/24/2009, 2:11 pm

Happiness is my favorite, With SM not far behind, then Gravity since it introduced me to OLP, Clumsy, Naveed, Healthy, Then Burn Burn.

laurel · Post by **laurel** » 8/24/2009, 2:32 pm

So I think I should finally say something about this cd.

I thought this when I first listened to it, but decided to give it a chance...

But this CD reeks of desperation. It seems like they are just trying so so hard to be good and accepted...and the songs turn out to be utterly lackluster.

Oh, and Monkey Brains is an absolutely horrible song. What a mess.

Johnny · Post by **Johnny** » 8/24/2009, 4:27 pm

Landon says otherwise. :nod: