Burn Burn: The Reviews

m2 · Post by m2 » 8/2/2009, 11:28 am

MOL, change your icon. Dr. Steve Brule is getting on my nerves.

Waiting to Exist · Post by **Waiting to Exist** » 8/2/2009, 11:56 am

This is a genuine question, but I think it's gonna come off as rhetorical or sarcastic. But what makes OLP different from other bands when it comes to playing hits? I've been to a bunch of shows of well-known bands that have played several of their older, less-known songs. Why would their general audience be more receptive to rarer things than OLP's is?

Or are we just talking about festivals?

MindsOnLoan · Post by **MindsOnLoan** » 8/2/2009, 12:11 pm

M2 wrote:MOL, change your icon. Dr. Steve Brule is getting on my nerves.

Countless spam posts get on my nerves, so I guess we're even.

Heavy Alibi · Post by **Heavy Alibi** » 8/2/2009, 12:13 pm

... that is all

m2 · Post by m2 » 8/2/2009, 12:20 pm

anyone speak french? What's this say:

Post by **xjsb125** » 8/2/2009, 12:37 pm

Festivals, I would think for most bands, means that you are going to have to go with your known material to maintain the crowds interest. Headlining shows, should have a core fan base and your casual listeners, or maybe fans who have seen the band live in the past. Those shows you can pull out your hits and other band specific fan favorites. I don't think the band is wrong in using hits at festivals, but I think the setlist order should be shaken up from night to night, and they should rotate out songs every other night, and especially add songs from the new album.

Shanae · Post by **Shanae** » 8/2/2009, 12:40 pm

xjsb125 wrote:Festivals, I would think for most bands, means that you are going to have to go with your known material to maintain the crowds interest. Headlining shows, should have a core fan base and your casual listeners, or maybe fans who have seen the band live in the past. Those shows you can pull out your hits and other band specific fan favorites. I don't think the band is wrong in using hits at festivals, but I think the setlist order should be shaken up from night to night, and they should rotate out songs every other night, and especially add songs from the new album.

Total word.

beautiful liar · Post by **beautiful liar** » 8/2/2009, 1:05 pm

M2 wrote:anyone speak french? What's this say:

Our Lady Peace attracts a record crowd

Dread · Post by **Dread** » 8/2/2009, 1:24 pm

xjsb125 wrote:Festivals, I would think for most bands, means that you are going to have to go with your known material to maintain the crowds interest. Headlining shows, should have a core fan base and your casual listeners, or maybe fans who have seen the band live in the past. Those shows you can pull out your hits and other band specific fan favorites. I don't think the band is wrong in using hits at festivals, but I think the setlist order should be shaken up from night to night, and they should rotate out songs every other night, and especially add songs from the new album.

This can be tricky. I've been a big fan of Foo Fighters for a long time. They've always put on a good show, but their last tour was really lazy. Not technically. They had a second stage come down from the roof so they could perform part of their set acoustically. And certainly not energetically, as the band seemed to have fun playing "My Hero" even if it was the millionth time. My problem was that they kept a tour blog going for awhile, and showed the setlists from all their shows. They were nearly identical each time. And now with six albums (one being a double album) they have a lot of material to draw from. But their sets were comprised of just hits with maybe one or two "rarer" songs thrown in. I mean, it was cool hearing Nirvana's Marigold (which Dave sang lead on) live, but they were also playing it EVERY night. The rare stops being rare by that point. They've also had so many good b-sides that they could play, too. I just didn't get it.

That makes me then think that maybe a band doesn't have the time to relearn old songs? Just because I listened to "Everyone's a Junkie" a few weeks ago, that doesn't necessarily mean the band has heard it in the last seven. So what keeps them from playing it? Memory lapses? Laziness? Too busy to relearn anything? Disdain for most of their back catalog? Not realizing that there are thousands of people in the audience who would actually like to hear "Everyone's a Junkie"? Who knows. I know there are bands out there that pull out b-sides and rarer songs live regularly, and they're not always the same thing. What keeps other bands from doing that?

Driven · Post by **Driven** » 8/2/2009, 1:27 pm

MindsOnLoan wrote:
Driven wrote:
MindsOnLoan wrote:But to play every hit is ridiculous... They need to pick and choose which hit will be played that night, and choose a few different hits for the next night.

No, they should choose the songs that they are feeling the best with. A set list should be made the day of, and should be the songs they want to play.

So an all single setlist?

If that's what they feel best playing, then that's what they feel best playing. I'm not sure exactly what you want them to play. It's not like you're going from tour stop to tour stop. They're going to play what they feel the best playing, and what the fans want to hear, and that is typically going to be all singles.

And when the true tour dates happen, they're likely to go more heavy on their album, and more heavy on the singles. It's the way things work. Hard to really complain with it.

And another thing is that if you screw around with the setlists too much, the songs aren't going to sound as good. The more of a rhythm you're in with the songs, the better it's going to be.

neoncrossing · Post by **neoncrossing** » 8/2/2009, 1:41 pm

Also there is lighting, effects, and probably a ton of other things that go along with a live show that need to be prepared for each song....

and with OLP, they are a 4 piece band now, and there were 4 albums happiness through HIPT that were done with 5 members. some of that stuff is not gonna come accross well live as a 4 piece...for example a song like "if you believe" has about 7 different guitar tracks in it...not really possible live

i would love to hear more rare and older stuff, as well as something other than the 4 new ones they have played, but i realize the reasoning for it, especially at the festivals

lets wait until the real headlining tour to see what they bring out in a longer setlist to more dedicated fans.

MindsOnLoan · Post by **MindsOnLoan** » 8/2/2009, 4:20 pm

I've seen tons of people complaining about older headlining setlists before though, so it's not like they're only doing it because it's a festival. I'll agree that they do take a few more chances when they headline, but the sets overall still seem kind of basic.

I really don't see the lighting/effects as an excuse for it, as tons of other bands seem to be able to break out lesser known songs randomly on a regular basis without any problems.

And for the "seven guitar tracks" point, I read an interview with Steve a few months back where he says something about how "some people complain because a song live doesn't sound the same way as the album version, but it's supposed to sound a bit different or mixed up than the studio version."

Post by **xjsb125** » 8/2/2009, 7:06 pm

I know in an interview a few months ago. Raine stated that they would be taking their own interpretations of the songs live, rather than having an additional musician performing the parts. I know Raine has a terrible time remembering lyrics. From the summer of 2005 through most of 2006 he couldn't remember the words to Somewhere Out There. He still messes up lyrics all the time. I think it all boils down to them needing to take the time to go back and re-learn other songs from the catalog. Those songs should be ones that they enjoy performing. If they have a lot of fun playing a song, that energy should be reflected back from the audience.

AnnieDreams · Post by **AnnieDreams** » 8/2/2009, 7:21 pm

Man, as a musician myself, it kinda boggles my mind that he could have so much trouble remembering words of songs he's sung dozens and dozens of times. Especially considering he wrote them. And they're in english, and they rhyme...

Post by **xjsb125** » 8/2/2009, 8:44 pm

At the Drake Hotel private show in 2005, he had the lyrics to SOT taped to the floor. When he performed Liar with NWL in Vancouver, he had the lyrics taped to his arm.

Driven · Post by **Driven** » 8/2/2009, 9:12 pm

AnnieDreams wrote:Man, as a musician myself, it kinda boggles my mind that he could have so much trouble remembering words of songs he's sung dozens and dozens of times. Especially considering he wrote them. And they're in english, and they rhyme...

Most of his stuff doesn't really rhyme.

Shanae · Post by **Shanae** » 8/2/2009, 11:14 pm

Most of SOT rhymes though, doesn't it? Somewhat.

Heavy Alibi · Post by **Heavy Alibi** » 8/2/2009, 11:34 pm

http://www.thespectrum.com/article/2009 ... +for+sound

OLP "trying too hard"

OLPManiac · Post by **OLPManiac** » 8/3/2009, 7:17 am

I know all lyrics of all OLP song...:-) i'm crazy..............however i got Burn Burn Burn in Italy.....I'm too happy.......I LOVE OLP!!!!!!!

Corey · Post by **Corey** » 8/3/2009, 11:22 am

Strong Alibi wrote:http://www.thespectrum.com/article/20090731/ENTERTAINMENT04/907310320/Our+Lady+Peace+tries+too+hard+for+sound

OLP "trying too hard"

I agree with a lot of what this review says but he is WAY off concerning Monkey Brains.