OLP songs we'll never hear live again

Tattooed Angels · Post by **Tattooed Angels** » 7/29/2009, 5:13 pm

It was not raine. The exact words were WE ARE NOT GOING TO PLAY THAT SONG AGAIN. Thing can change though..

I have learned to not really ask Raine too much about his songs.. ALthought lately he has been very open and forthright with them..

MindsOnLoan · Post by **MindsOnLoan** » 7/29/2009, 5:38 pm

Corey wrote:Maybe legally they aren't allowed to. Maybe Mike Turner has ownership.

That has absolutely nothing to do with it, otherwise covers would never be done. You can play anything you want, just as long as you aren't releasing it for profit without consent.

Corey · Post by **Corey** » 7/29/2009, 6:08 pm

MindsOnLoan wrote:
Corey wrote:Maybe legally they aren't allowed to. Maybe Mike Turner has ownership.

That has absolutely nothing to do with it, otherwise covers would never be done. You can play anything you want, just as long as you aren't releasing it for profit without consent.

I think you are wrong about that:

http://tmkolawyers.com/publications/AR- ... 131234.pdf

In terms of the legalities of performing covers, Canada's Copyright Act grants the creator of a copyright protected musical composition the sole right to perform the work in public. As such, in order to perform a copyright protected song, an artist must first obtain permission from the creator of the song or the owner of the copyright in the song, if such copyright has been assigned by the creator. Fortunately for the musician seeking to perform a cover, this burden is effectively relieved via the Society of Composers, Authors and Music Publishers of Canada (SOCAN), the non-profit collective that administers performing rights in Canada

RileyLewis · Post by **RileyLewis** » 7/29/2009, 8:54 pm

I think generally speaking if a cover is done in goodwill as just a performance piece (not a major release or a constant thing) then most bands would probably be safe. However, legally the original artist could make some noise.

That's too bad about Blister. It's my favourite OLP song. I wonder why. Why eliminate that but keep songs Raine clearly can't perform well, like One Man Army?

Oh well. It's not like they'll ever play any old stuff again anyway beyond maybe 1 song per tour (this one being Denied). They seem to rely on their singles. They seem to always take the easy and safe road these days.

MindsOnLoan · Post by **MindsOnLoan** » 7/29/2009, 10:05 pm

Corey wrote:
MindsOnLoan wrote:
Corey wrote:Maybe legally they aren't allowed to. Maybe Mike Turner has ownership.

That has absolutely nothing to do with it, otherwise covers would never be done. You can play anything you want, just as long as you aren't releasing it for profit without consent.

I think you are wrong about that:

http://tmkolawyers.com/publications/AR- ... 131234.pdf

In terms of the legalities of performing covers, Canada's Copyright Act grants the creator of a copyright protected musical composition the sole right to perform the work in public. As such, in order to perform a copyright protected song, an artist must first obtain permission from the creator of the song or the owner of the copyright in the song, if such copyright has been assigned by the creator. Fortunately for the musician seeking to perform a cover, this burden is effectively relieved via the Society of Composers, Authors and Music Publishers of Canada (SOCAN), the non-profit collective that administers performing rights in Canada

That's odd, I'm guessing the law is different in the US.

I just don't see why the band wouldn't be able to perform their own songs, or why it'd be specificlly copyrighted to Mike. I'm sure Mike would allow them to perform it anyway, as he doesn't have hard feelings against the band.

Corey · Post by **Corey** » 7/30/2009, 6:00 am

MindsOnLoan wrote:I just don't see why the band wouldn't be able to perform their own songs, or why it'd be specificlly copyrighted to Mike. I'm sure Mike would allow them to perform it anyway, as he doesn't have hard feelings against the band.

Yeah, it was just a theory. I think the law is similar in the US but may be different from state to state.

Codes · Post by **Codes** » 7/30/2009, 3:19 pm

Corey might be right

Guns N' Roses, well "Axl's Band" can't perform certain songs from the UYI cds because of legal issues, and vice versa for Slash and them in terms of other songs.

AnnieDreams · Post by **AnnieDreams** » 7/30/2009, 3:42 pm

But Raine is credited as a songwriter on every song the band has written, isn't he? That would give him rights to all of them.
But I highly doubt that would happen anyway. I don't think Mike would be that bitter or petty.

MindsOnLoan · Post by **MindsOnLoan** » 7/30/2009, 5:36 pm

He's not. I remember someone on here saying they posted a status on FaceBook saying they were going to see Fair Ground and were going to try to make an OLP show, and Mike commented on it saying to skip Fair Ground because the OLP show would be better.

And this was just months ago.

Post by **xjsb125** » 7/30/2009, 7:09 pm

I believe that was Neoncrossing Paul.

Heavy Alibi · Post by **Heavy Alibi** » 7/30/2009, 7:58 pm

Wow. Mike is so nice. LOL

Shanae · Post by **Shanae** » 7/30/2009, 9:50 pm

I love Mike.

I had a dream a few nights ago that I saw OLP at a fair, and only twenty people came out to watch. A little boy went onstage, and fell down, right in front of Mr. Guitarist. He stopped playing and picked the boy up and comforted him. It wasn't until after I woke up that I realized that I dreamt that Mike was playing, not Steve.

Yeah, I have odd dreams.

Heavy Alibi · Post by **Heavy Alibi** » 7/30/2009, 9:54 pm

Shanae wrote:I love Mike.

I had a dream a few nights ago that I saw OLP at a fair, and only twenty people came out to watch. A little boy went onstage, and fell down, right in front of Mr. Guitarist. He stopped playing and picked the boy up and comforted him. It wasn't until after I woke up that I realized that I dreamt that Mike was playing, not Steve.

Yeah, I have odd dreams.

I wish I could dream of OLP, lol. Sometimes I have "lucid dreams", where I can control what happens - I need to make myself appear at an OLP intimate concert the next time that happens. :nod:

ClumsyGirl618 · Post by **ClumsyGirl618** » 7/30/2009, 10:00 pm

Try listening to music when you're falling asleep... maybe that will get your brain thinking you are at a concert... or watch the live DVD.

Shanae · Post by **Shanae** » 7/30/2009, 10:02 pm

I once had a dream that they were playing in this hockey rink, and Jeremy stood up, walked over to me, picked me up, and made me sit in this random chair. It was like an onstage throne. :yup:

Heavy Alibi · Post by **Heavy Alibi** » 7/30/2009, 10:04 pm

nice one... have you seen their .NET greeting video for holiday 2002? It was just put up on Youtube today... it's hilarious, Jer and Steve are doing some weird mannerisms all through it, and Jer starts going on about mustard in Raine's drink or something... lol

Shanae · Post by **Shanae** » 7/30/2009, 10:22 pm

Nope, haven't seen that. Seeming that when it came out I was... seven, nope, can't say I have. (Ha, I love figuring out my age in situations like this. It amuses me.)

I'll look when I have time.

Heavy Alibi · Post by **Heavy Alibi** » 7/30/2009, 11:01 pm

LOL, you're a Naveed baby... I wonder if you're the first CMer born after (or during) the release of Naveed

Driven · Post by **Driven** » 7/30/2009, 11:37 pm

Pretty sure these are the composers to each OLP song:

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=am ... 8gldse~T31

m2 · Post by m2 » 7/31/2009, 10:00 am

i am of the naveed age as well. Once I had a dream that Raine came to my house, made food and then Chantal came with the kids. we all talked and hung out. then when we went to bed, the next morning, no one woke up. so i called the police and when I walked back in, they were all gone.....