Run to the White House: 2008

nikki4982 · Post by **nikki4982** » 9/28/2008, 10:50 pm

I'm frigging excited about Obama. Though I don't see him winning. Especially with all the retarded lies people actually believe about him. But it sure will feel good to vote for the man.

The fact that McCain (and then, in a year when he dies, Palin) will probably be our next president scares me to death. Truly. We think things are bad now? Hah!

Johnny · Post by **Johnny** » 9/29/2008, 12:47 am

Question:

What are the candidates position on withdrawing the troops from Afghanistan?

And what is your position on it and why?

Post by **saman** » 9/29/2008, 3:34 pm

what about the canadians? who's everyone voting for?

beautiful liar · Post by **beautiful liar** » 9/29/2008, 9:51 pm

well because i'm part of the arts community, i would love to see harper out of office. that $20 billion that arts & culture bring into the canadian economy? most of that is in tourism, venues, large distributers, etc. - the artists get very little, if anything. those grants are important to keep artists producing - and it's not like they're that big to start off with! no one is living off of their canada arts grants (at least no one i know...). that being said, the liberals have my vote, because the ndp play the role of shit disturber too often - i don't know where their priorities really lie, or how they will govern.

i have a feeling the best case scenario to come from this election will be a minority government. which will mean another election soon enough. *headdesk*

Post by **xjsb125** » 9/30/2008, 6:24 pm

This topic has been split and moved until everyone can calm down. Stay on topic for this thread please, and if you have any personal conflict to vent towards each other, please do so in private message.

I still think all the candidates this year are horrible.

I, however, love all the rest of you! :love:

laurel · Post by **laurel** » 9/30/2008, 6:31 pm

so if it was split and moved...where'd the rest of it go?

Henrietta · Post by **Henrietta** » 9/30/2008, 6:31 pm

Lando, where did you get that quote from? Just so you know, when looking for specifics about Mormons' beliefs, the ONLY official places to get details are at lds.org sites, which include mormon.org.

And I sitll think it's low to jab at his age. Anyone, at any time, can die. I'll bet money he lives through his term(s). Cheney's still kickin', ain't he?

Lando · Post by **Lando** » 9/30/2008, 6:37 pm

xjsb125 wrote:
I, however, love all the rest of you!

I love you and it's still my plan to steal you from your wife.

Post by **xjsb125** » 9/30/2008, 6:45 pm

laurel wrote:so if it was split and moved...where'd the rest of it go?

Mod forum....which I guess is the Matt forum....or the Matt/Sooz/Melissa forum. I don't even know who the mods are anymore. I should probably look into that later.

In all reality, I will probably vote for Obama this year, not base on him, but I don't feel like the Republican party will make a positive impact if they are in control for another 4 years. I have typically always voted Republican, because a lot of my views are conservative. Over the past few years, however, I have became a little more tolerant and realized that as a responsible citizen, I should vote for the candidate who will facilitate legislation bringing the most freedoms to the public they represent. I face the conflict of a few items that I just won't budge on. I do try to look at all points of view. I may disagree with them, but I can still try and respect how others feel about touchy subjects such as religion and life.

Ultimately I will vote for Obama and hope that a better suited candidate comes along 4 years out. Mostly, I just want someone who will show a heightened sense of concern for the US and try to clean our house before we offer to clean someone else's.

crustine · Post by **crustine** » 9/30/2008, 7:44 pm

so in other words we can no longer debate the issue of religion? A mod forum is of little use to us plebeians. Oh well.

I don't think people are jabbing at McCains age, just stating the facts. He is in his 70's, has cancer, and a number of other health issues, common to a 71 year-old-man. HIgh blood pressure, kidney stones, precancerous polyps, a mass removed from his prostate, the last melanoma surgery (there have been 4) was much more serious, which has left the large lump on the left side of his face, and irregular blood sugar levels. While none of these issues prevent him from leading the USA they are something to keep in mind.

Henrietta · Post by **Henrietta** » 9/30/2008, 9:26 pm

Roosevelt was disabled. I think it's invalid. Next thing we know there's going to credit and health checks before they can run.

Post by **xjsb125** » 9/30/2008, 9:48 pm

crustine wrote:so in other words we can no longer debate the issue of religion?

Feel free to. I don't believe religion is a key issue on the topic at hand, so what is there to debate about it? Even more specifically, how does each candidates religious beliefs, and our opinions of their religious beliefs tainted by our own personal bias, really stack up to being a key issue concerned with the Presidency of the United States? It doesn't factor in that much, unless you factor in morality, which is purely a subjective thing.

I would think that key issues concerning the debate in this thread would surround the candidates plans for salvaging the US economy, military initiatives worldwide, immigration, and health care.

If religion is something you want to debate, go for it. Dig up any of the threads in the Welcome to this World forum that you wish and pick up where they left off. There are plenty of threads that cover most religious angles that you want to debate. They all end the same.

Back on topic, religion just doesn't weigh in as something critical to the next Presidency.

Lando · Post by **Lando** » 9/30/2008, 11:37 pm

I completely disagree with the censorship you've forced upon us matt. If you want to split and move the topic, move it to somewhere we can continue posting in that thread. I completely understand the splitting of the topic though, but it's not right to make it so that only some people can view it or participate in discussions involving that thread. Please allow us access to that topic again.

So, as such I would have to disagree with the stance that Religious beliefs aren't important in the upcoming election. the direct influence of the proposals Palin wishes to legislate are based on her beliefs. Sure she'd only be VP, but we're talking about issues like abortion and gay marriage. While those are directly influenced by Religious beliefs and are important to look at because they're directly involved with the freedoms of US citizens.

And I'd say the discussion of freedoms and laws and what should be allowed and shouldn't, is of direct concern of what US citizens should be looking at before they decide to vote. In this case, religious beliefs play a big role in the upcoming election.

Post by **xjsb125** » 10/1/2008, 4:14 am

I like forcing things. The other half will come out after everyone has cooled down.

Good argument for religion playing a part in the elections.

Neil · Post by **Neil** » 10/1/2008, 8:38 am

http://www.politicalbase.com/toolbox/&a ... t&testId=8

Presidential Test

Henrietta · Post by **Henrietta** » 10/1/2008, 12:56 pm

My problem with Obama is that he enflames a sense of entitlement in Americans. America is about the American Dream, NOT the American Promise. We do not promise to provide you with healthcare, child care, or a college education. You are welcome to work hard for it. Please, contribute to the economy and contribute to the wonderful ingenuity that has been fostered. But don't make me pay for your healthcare. I pay for my own, everyone should do the same. The US does not owe these things to anyone. Why do people think they should have things they can't pay for? If I can't pay for it, I don't get it. Plain and simple. It seems like no American has the patience to save. They just buy buy buy with money they don't have. Our problem is our ridiculous sense that other people owe us the things we want.

Kicker774 · Post by **Kicker774** » 10/1/2008, 1:17 pm

I'm not a huge on national health care run by our government.

But what I would like to see is some sort of halfway point where preventive care is covered by the government.

There are some people out there who can't afford health insurance or are not offered health care. There are people out there who put off or ignore getting checkups because they have become too expensive.

There was an article I read recently that said 98% of med students were looking into specialized positions rather than just general practice.

Why?
Because malpractice insurance rates have spike through the roof and it's no longer profitable to run a general. (Hence why a doctor’s office visit is getting so expensive w/o ins)

It's proven that countries with National Health Care live longer. One would have to assume that's chalked up to preventive care and regular doctor’s visits.

There's way too much profit happening on people’s health in the US today. There are too many corporate heathcare lobbyists out there to make any radical changes

Random Name · Post by **Random Name** » 10/1/2008, 1:33 pm

I don't understand why the US doesn't go for national health care plans.

WHO rankings:

Rank Country

1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America
38 Slovenia
39 Cuba
40 Brunei
41 New Zealand
42 Bahrain
43 Croatia
44 Qatar
45 Kuwait
46 Barbados
47 Thailand
48 Czech Republic
49 Malaysia
50 Poland

http://www.who.int/inf-pr-2000/en/pr2000-44.html

1.The US has the most expensive healthcare system in the world. It is almost twice as expensive as every other developed nation. This is largely due to administrative costs which account for 19-25% of healthcare costs, and up to 34% at for-profit hospitals.

2.Other than South Africa, America is the only developed country in the world that does not provide healthcare for all of its citizens.

3.Yet, the US ranks 26th in infant mortality and 24th in the number of healthy years a person can expect to live - putting America’s healthcare system in the company of Cuba and Slovenia rather than Canada and Western European nations.

4.And, despite ludicrous right-wing anecdotal claims of high dissatisfaction among those who live in countries with universal healthcare, the reality is that, with the exception of Italy, Americans are more dissatisfied with their healthcare than are the citizens of every other developed nation, including England, France, Germany, and Canada. Moreover, US doctors spend less time with patients that do doctors in other nations."

(also, copied from the internet)
http://dll.umaine.edu/ble/U.S.%20HCweb.pdf

Kicker774 · Post by **Kicker774** » 10/1/2008, 2:09 pm

Everyone in the US is deadly afraid of getting taxed to death on national healthcare. No one thinks we can afford it.

Yet we can easily afford to go invade Iraq.
And we can afford to bail out wall street.
We can bailout banks and the big three automakers.

Healthcare you say?
What about it? The healthcare industry makes record profits year after year so they must be doing something right.

Tattooed Angels · Post by **Tattooed Angels** » 10/1/2008, 2:21 pm

It is sad because this year there really isn't any real good canadates to help the country get out the of trouble we are in now..

Right now people's main concern is the economy. Look at what just happen with Wall Street. What bothers me about the fix they are doing is will I be the one paying for it in the end? I am lucky that I still have years on my 457k( like a 401k) plan.. I can make up the money I lost.. (hopefully) Others who were close to retirement can't.. They will have to put off retiring for another 2-3 years.

My own personal concern is Education, Health Care, Economy, and getting the troops home..

There are so many people who work full time hours(full time is 37+ hours) yet they are listed as part time and get no insurance. I know people who work 40 hours a week with no health insurance. I am lucky I have it.. I will however lose it if I leave my job before retiring..

The country is in such a mess right now that no matter who gets in will have a hard time getting us back on track..

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Run to the White House: 2008

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