Raine's Solo Album

petersl1 · Post by **petersl1** » 9/8/2006, 6:45 pm

Yes, Apology definitely...That is just about my favorite OLP song!! (4am and Thief are other faves, but that's off topic.)

I also think of CK when Raine sings:

-All For You
-Do You Like It
-Story About a Girl
-Not Enough
-Love and Trust
-Don't Stop
-Boy (well, about the family anyway)

I may be an outcast, but I love Gravity and HIPT. Raine's life has changed since he got married and had kids and I am glad that his lyrics reflect that.

Post by **faninor** » 9/8/2006, 6:50 pm

petersl1 wrote:My general view of the ppl who don't like Raine's lyrics about love on Gravity and HIPT are the ones who want to marry him and only like him for his looks, not his musical genius.

Haha, my view was that Gravity doubled the number of people who want to marry Raine.

olpercy · Post by **olpercy** » 9/8/2006, 7:12 pm

...i like his looks too, But his music is what really counts... i wouldn't want to marry him! TOO OLD!!!!...

ANY WAYS, as you where saying...

Axtech · Post by **Axtech** » 9/8/2006, 7:28 pm

petersl1 wrote:Yes, Apology definitely...That is just about my favorite OLP song!! (4am and Thief are other faves, but that's off topic.)

I also think of CK when Raine sings:

-All For You
-Do You Like It
-Story About a Girl
-Not Enough
-Love and Trust
-Don't Stop
-Boy (well, about the family anyway)

I may be an outcast, but I love Gravity and HIPT. Raine's life has changed since he got married and had kids and I am glad that his lyrics reflect that.

It doesn't matter if you like or hate Gravity and HIPT, that's fine, I have no problem with others having a different taste in music/lyrics/whatever. But I don't see how you could possibly actually think that people who like OLP for their first four albums only like Raine for his looks.

Random Name · Post by **Random Name** » 9/8/2006, 8:09 pm

ROBBO WANTS TO HAVE RAINES BABIES.

*ahem*

err and I dont connect all for you to Chantel at all. I relate that to his Dad, but meh.
Just felt the need to share.

petersl1 · Post by **petersl1** » 9/8/2006, 8:59 pm

Random Name wrote:ROBBO WANTS TO HAVE RAINES BABIES.

*ahem*

err and I dont connect all for you to Chantel at all. I relate that to his Dad, but meh.
Just felt the need to share.

Now I need to go listen to it again...you may be right...I love trying to figure out the stories behind songs.

petersl1 · Post by **petersl1** » 9/8/2006, 9:00 pm

Axtech wrote:
petersl1 wrote:Yes, Apology definitely...That is just about my favorite OLP song!! (4am and Thief are other faves, but that's off topic.)

I also think of CK when Raine sings:

-All For You
-Do You Like It
-Story About a Girl
-Not Enough
-Love and Trust
-Don't Stop
-Boy (well, about the family anyway)

I may be an outcast, but I love Gravity and HIPT. Raine's life has changed since he got married and had kids and I am glad that his lyrics reflect that.

It doesn't matter if you like or hate Gravity and HIPT, that's fine, I have no problem with others having a different taste in music/lyrics/whatever. But I don't see how you could possibly actually think that people who like OLP for their first four albums only like Raine for his looks.

I did not mean that at all...I'm saying I think many ppl who "OMG love Raine" don't enjoy his songs about his wife. That's all.

olpercy · Post by **olpercy** » 9/8/2006, 9:53 pm

those people should grow up... even i respect that much sort of...

laurel · Post by **laurel** » 9/9/2006, 3:31 am

petersl1 wrote:Yes, Apology definitely...That is just about my favorite OLP song!! (4am and Thief are other faves, but that's off topic.)

I also think of CK when Raine sings:

-All For You
-Do You Like It
-Story About a Girl
-Not Enough
-Love and Trust
-Don't Stop
-Boy (well, about the family anyway)

i have to dissect this a bit.

all for you: i've always found this to be a very angry, bitter song...it's been suggested it's about their record company (i think?)...after a look at the lyrics, i see nothing that relates to being about her.

do you like it: to me, this seems to have the same idea as all for you...
"I don't wanna be a puppet for you
Don't wanna bite the hand that's feeding
I don't wanna be a sucker for you, oh yes you
I hate myself for begging
I hate myself for staying
I hate myself for listening to,
You, you, you, you, you"
please tell me how you see that directed to chantal...again, has it not been suggested that this one is about the record company? if it is towards her, it's a pretty negative look.

these two have the easiest examples. story about a girl is pretty open to interpretation, and i suppose not enough also is, although i've always found it to be pretty far from a love song.

the gravity songs don't seem to be terribly chantal oriented to me, though...there's a bit of an angry or biting edge to a lot of the lyrics. they don't seem terribly positive in the sense that a love song would be.

the hipt lyrics are a lot more open, though. i can see where you see them being more about her. but the gravity ones you mentioned...i really don't see it.

petersl1 · Post by **petersl1** » 9/9/2006, 7:23 am

laurel wrote:
petersl1 wrote:Yes, Apology definitely...That is just about my favorite OLP song!! (4am and Thief are other faves, but that's off topic.)

I also think of CK when Raine sings:

-All For You
-Do You Like It
-Story About a Girl
-Not Enough
-Love and Trust
-Don't Stop
-Boy (well, about the family anyway)

i have to dissect this a bit.

all for you: i've always found this to be a very angry, bitter song...it's been suggested it's about their record company (i think?)...after a look at the lyrics, i see nothing that relates to being about her.

do you like it: to me, this seems to have the same idea as all for you...
"I don't wanna be a puppet for you
Don't wanna bite the hand that's feeding
I don't wanna be a sucker for you, oh yes you
I hate myself for begging
I hate myself for staying
I hate myself for listening to,
You, you, you, you, you"
please tell me how you see that directed to chantal...again, has it not been suggested that this one is about the record company? if it is towards her, it's a pretty negative look.

these two have the easiest examples. story about a girl is pretty open to interpretation, and i suppose not enough also is, although i've always found it to be pretty far from a love song.

the gravity songs don't seem to be terribly chantal oriented to me, though...there's a bit of an angry or biting edge to a lot of the lyrics. they don't seem terribly positive in the sense that a love song would be.

the hipt lyrics are a lot more open, though. i can see where you see them being more about her. but the gravity ones you mentioned...i really don't see it.

Good discussion! I think of "All For You" as not quite so negative. I thought that it simply could be his thoughts after a fight ("Stop breaking my heart"), but who the hell am I? I'm no expert.

Interesting take on the Sony thing for Do You Like It. Very possible! I've never heard that from any band member in any interview (for obvious reasons), but I like your take on it!

Random Name · Post by **Random Name** » 9/9/2006, 8:38 am

petersl1 wrote:
Good discussion! I think of "All For You" as not quite so negative. I thought that it simply could be his thoughts after a fight ("Stop breaking my heart"), but who the hell am I? I'm no expert.

I dont understand how you can ignore the rest of all the lyrics and story telling and base your judgement of the song on one line. If the song is about a fight, then who the hell is "the suburban man"?

Matt. · Post by **Matt.** » 9/9/2006, 9:57 am

Random Name wrote:
petersl1 wrote:
Good discussion! I think of "All For You" as not quite so negative. I thought that it simply could be his thoughts after a fight ("Stop breaking my heart"), but who the hell am I? I'm no expert.

I dont understand how you can ignore the rest of all the lyrics and story telling and base your judgement of the song on one line. If the song is about a fight, then who the hell is "the suburban man"?

Exactly. The first verse screams discontent with an authority of some shape or form. I think the line "he wants discipline, discipline, control over the way I live / Wants the best for me, old school philosophy, but I can't turn my back on him" seems to hint towards being ashamed to abandon the old and in turn, faithlessly follow the new. I agree with Laurel about "Do You Like It?" as well. I think I remember Nikki saying something on the CC about them mentioning that at a New York show... Could be wrong though

Post by **faninor** » 9/9/2006, 10:55 am

I've always thought Do You Like It was about their record label as well.

I've also always thought that song was intentionally full of clichés, and that's why I tolerate it.

petersl1 · Post by **petersl1** » 9/9/2006, 1:40 pm

Random Name wrote:
petersl1 wrote:
Good discussion! I think of "All For You" as not quite so negative. I thought that it simply could be his thoughts after a fight ("Stop breaking my heart"), but who the hell am I? I'm no expert.

I dont understand how you can ignore the rest of all the lyrics and story telling and base your judgement of the song on one line. If the song is about a fight, then who the hell is "the suburban man"?

Sarah, I'm not trying to 'start something' here. I told you I don't know the story, I only know my interpretation. The 'suburban man' could be who his wife, his parents, friends, society in general, or whoever WANT him to become.

Hope · Post by **Hope** » 9/9/2006, 7:17 pm

I thought Raine specifically said that All For You was about his father.. therefore the "he wants the best for me, an old school philosophy".

... WOAH i just recited olp lyrics. i thought i would have forgotten all of them by now

Random Name · Post by **Random Name** » 9/10/2006, 7:15 am

petersl1 wrote:
Random Name wrote:
petersl1 wrote:
Good discussion! I think of "All For You" as not quite so negative. I thought that it simply could be his thoughts after a fight ("Stop breaking my heart"), but who the hell am I? I'm no expert.

I dont understand how you can ignore the rest of all the lyrics and story telling and base your judgement of the song on one line. If the song is about a fight, then who the hell is "the suburban man"?

Sarah, I'm not trying to 'start something' here. I told you I don't know the story, I only know my interpretation. The 'suburban man' could be who his wife, his parents, friends, society in general, or whoever WANT him to become.

I'm not trying to start something at all. Where the crap did you get that?
I'm trying to say that having your own interpretation of lyrics is fine, but you have no evidence to support your claim. If the song doesn't back up your thoughts on the song... then your opinion is just an opinion you have that was forced onto something that doesn't fit. And that doesn't make any sense to me.

petersl1 · Post by **petersl1** » 9/10/2006, 7:31 am

i need evidence to back up my song intrepretation? God, I know why Nikki doesn't come here anymore. God forbid anyone have an opinion on anything. And God forbid that opinion be different from someone else's.

This is a joke.

LifeRiot · Post by **LifeRiot** » 9/10/2006, 10:01 am

I think it would be great if Maida came out with an experimental record like Thom Yorke did with "The Eraser."

He needs to bring back that backround madness and hardcore falsetto.

But that is me.

Hope · Post by **Hope** » 9/10/2006, 12:09 pm

yeah, we for sure need the falsetto back.

i expect raine's solo songs will be more loosely structured / experimental than HIPT stuff, but not enough to get critical praise.

Tattooed Angels · Post by **Tattooed Angels** » 9/10/2006, 1:54 pm

I always associated the songs on gravity about RELATIONSHIPS in genereal. Whether it be between friends, lovers, family , or work.. I even think the title GRAVITY comes from that. Gravity keep sus grounded to Earth right? SO I felt that relationships is what keeps us grounded in out lives. That is my interpation of Gravity.

I also heard ALL FOR YOU was about the record company.. The only songs that I know for a fact Raine wrote about anyone in his family is 4Am(his dad), Superman's Dead and Are YOu Sad for his brother, Starseed and Naveed for their friend Naveed and Car Crash(for a friend) Stealing Babies was for Eve and Thief was for Mena Kim as Leave a |Light on was about his travels to DARFUR and what he experienced there.

I do not know what songs were written for Chantal. For most part Raine has always been very private about his personal life, and his lyrics in general. He has said in interviews and to people in person that is lyrics are open to interpatation to the listeners..

I use to joke that Bring Back The Sun is the answer to Middle of Yesterday and APology is the answer to Bring Back The Sun..

As for Not Enough I always looked at that song as you really are into another person and see them wasting their life with someone else, yet you want them to know you will be there.

I have no problems with Raine's lyrics.. I am actually looking forward to see what he is going to put out on his own..Ihave no problem with any OLP cd's. There are some I like better then others, and there are some I do not listen to as much. It is all opinion..

There my 2 cents..