Zacarias Moussaoui

Neil · Post by **Neil** » 5/4/2006, 8:36 am

So....the clown is heading to the "Supermax" in Colorado to serve the life sentence he was issued.

Is that what he deserved? Did he deserve the death penalty?

Discuss.....

Axtech · Post by **Axtech** » 5/4/2006, 8:44 am

Assuming that he actually was involved, there's no way that he should have gotten the death penalty. It's something I don't agree with at all. It's immoral, immature and uncivilized.

Plus the fact that killing someone who was willing to die for their cause anyways is not punishment, and is actually entirely pointless. It's like giving somebody the death penalty for attempted suicide.

Neil · Post by **Neil** » 5/4/2006, 8:55 am

Axtech wrote:Assuming that he actually was involved, there's no way that he should have gotten the death penalty. It's something I don't agree with at all. It's immoral, immature and uncivilized.

Plus the fact that killing someone who was willing to die for their cause anyways is not punishment, and is actually entirely pointless. It's like giving somebody the death penalty for attempted suicide.

Agreed.....if he's going to serve a life sentence, there is nothing better than the Supermax in Colorado.

Solitary confinement....

They just said on Fox News that on his way out of the courtroom, he said something to the effect of........that he'll be released from prison by the time G.W. leaves office.

He's loving the attention, I think.

Bandalero · Post by **Bandalero** » 5/4/2006, 10:32 pm

He would have been killed in TexAs. he should have been killed in TexAs. fuckin new yorkers, can't do shit right.

Axtech · Post by **Axtech** » 5/5/2006, 2:52 pm

MG's take on it:

Matthew Good @ www.thoughtmechanics.com wrote:There’s been a lot of attention given the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui, which I have found quite strange truth be told. Having been sentenced to life in prison yesterday, today, after Moussaoui produced the typical outburst that one might expect from someone stupid enough to purchase into the warped ideology of a man such as Osama Bin Laden, judge Leonie Brinkema commented “You will spend the rest of your life in a supermax prison. It’s absolutely clear who won.”.

I couldn’t agree more.

First and foremost, it’s clear that the Saudis won. The majority of those involved in the 9/11 plot were Saudis, Bin Laden included, yet the United States has done nothing to hold that country accountable [1]. In fact, the Bush administration has gone to fantastic lengths to protect the Saudis from 9/11 related condemnation. The majority of foreign fighters in Iraq are also Saudis, who belong to groups such as that of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who comprise less than 6% of the insurgency.

Second, it’s clear that al Qaeda won. Moussaoui’s trial was nothing but the show trial of a peon used to placate the battered pride of a polarized nation. The figureheads of al Qaeda, Bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahri, remain free, and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who has been held by the US in secret facilities since 2003, has not appeared publicly or been officially charged under the laws of the United States with regards to 9/11.

Third, the damage done the civil liberties of Americans, to US global integrity, and future generations of Americans financially is vast, and, in some cases, irreversible. It will take a considerable amount of time to repair the damage done by the Wolfowitz doctrine, even if a preemptive, unilateralist foreign policy platform is abandoned by the next administration.

Moussaoui may spend the rest of his life in prison, but haven’t most Americans been living in one since 9/11? If anything, they should seriously question the actions taken by this administration with regards to Iraq and how it was sold them as part and parcel of the now ubiquitous ‘War On Terror’. As if the tragedy of 9/11 wasn’t enough, why have the American people allowed it to be compounded by the lies of opportunists in Washington who have capitalized on it more than those who perpetrated it?

[1] “…if you harbor a terrorist, if you feed a terrorist, if you hide a terrorist, you’re just as guilty as the terrorist.” – George W. Bush, Atlanta Mariott Marquis, Atlanta, Georgia, January 2002.

Neil · Post by **Neil** » 5/6/2006, 1:08 pm

Bandalero wrote: fuckin new yorkers, can't do shit right.

What's New York got to do with this???????

pit_girl1 · Post by **pit_girl1** » 5/6/2006, 1:14 pm

Axtech wrote:Assuming that he actually was involved, there's no way that he should have gotten the death penalty. It's something I don't agree with at all. It's immoral, immature and uncivilized.

Plus the fact that killing someone who was willing to die for their cause anyways is not punishment, and is actually entirely pointless. It's like giving somebody the death penalty for attempted suicide.

Amen.

starvingeyes · Post by **starvingeyes** » 5/7/2006, 1:37 pm

a kangaroo court with a man who in all likelihood is either a government plant, or under an incredible amount of duress.

this "trial" was nothing more than a public spectacle to show due process while actually wantonly ignoring it. ironic, really.

Bandalero · Post by **Bandalero** » 5/7/2006, 5:03 pm

Go Down Fighting wrote:
Bandalero wrote: fuckin new yorkers, can't do shit right.

What's New York got to do with this???????

easy, your court system made his trial a carnival.

in TexAs, it would have been quick, just, and without alot of media BS. case in point...the enron trial, not big in the media.

myownsatellite · Post by **myownsatellite** » 5/7/2006, 5:06 pm

...And now all the taxpayers get to pay for his upkeep for the rest of his life. How pleasant

Neil · Post by **Neil** » 5/9/2006, 6:21 am

Bandalero wrote:easy, your court system made his trial a carnival.

in TexAs, it would have been quick, just, and without alot of media BS. case in point...the enron trial, not big in the media.

Easy?? WTF.....the trial was in Virginia. :wtf:

Just because Texas has the friggen "express lane" for death penalty's doesn't mean the trial would've gone any smoother.

Besides......the dumbfuck motioned to have his guilty plea removed, because he claims he fabricated the entire story.

And Enron? Dude, I was hearing about that garbage everyday that I turned on Fox News or MSNBC. Just because something happens in the U.S.'s "Mexico" doesn't mean it doesn't get publicity.

starvingeyes · Post by **starvingeyes** » 5/9/2006, 12:29 pm

he did fabricate the entire story, likely while being tortured.

it is impossible for this man to have had anything to do with the 9/11 attacks because he is not a member of the US government and apparently not working with them.

bovine · Post by **bovine** » 5/9/2006, 9:03 pm

myownsatellite wrote:...And now all the taxpayers get to pay for his upkeep for the rest of his life. How pleasant

Better than having them pay MORE money to go through the appeal process. It costs more money to sentence someone to death than it does to keep them imprisoned for the rest of their life. Death sentences are costly, and that's one of the more minor reasons I'm opposed to them.

pit_girl1 · Post by **pit_girl1** » 5/9/2006, 10:57 pm

bovine wrote:
myownsatellite wrote:...And now all the taxpayers get to pay for his upkeep for the rest of his life. How pleasant

Better than having them pay MORE money to go through the appeal process. It costs more money to sentence someone to death than it does to keep them imprisoned for the rest of their life. Death sentences are costly, and that's one of the more minor reasons I'm opposed to them.

Exactly.

Bandalero · Post by **Bandalero** » 5/10/2006, 10:11 pm

Go Down Fighting wrote:
Bandalero wrote:easy, your court system made his trial a carnival.

in TexAs, it would have been quick, just, and without alot of media BS. case in point...the enron trial, not big in the media.

Easy?? WTF.....the trial was in Virginia.

Just because Texas has the friggen "express lane" for death penalty's doesn't mean the trial would've gone any smoother.

Besides......the dumbfuck motioned to have his guilty plea removed, because he claims he fabricated the entire story.

And Enron? Dude, I was hearing about that garbage everyday that I turned on Fox News or MSNBC. Just because something happens in the U.S.'s "Mexico" doesn't mean it doesn't get publicity.

The whole justice system in TexAs is an 'express lane'. you'll only hear about the death sentances being carried out because well that's news to you. Yeah, the whole Enron thing was big, but the trial itself isn't making grand headlines everyday like say the scott peterson trial, or OJ or this clown.

Andrea yates also changed her plea, and the trial was still timely.