Controversial 9/11 Documentary - "Loose Change"

Axtech · Post by **Axtech** » 4/26/2006, 6:37 pm

True, it probably doesn't have anything to do with the government. Sure doesn't hurt their cover-up though. heh

naseoj · Post by **naseoj** » 4/26/2006, 7:19 pm

Axtech wrote:and what perfect timing.

There's a movie called "United 93" hitting theatres this week, telling the heroic story of the passengers who fought back and ensured that the 4th plane never reached its target.

Is that really what happened though? According to the students who made Loose Change, it didn't.

If that's the case, I have to wonder if this movie is something written by or written for, or perhaps just promoted by the government. Set up a heroic, patriotic tale behind something not fully explained, and people will be less likely to question it.

One word - propaganda.

Obviously this movie was made (with perfect timing) right when the belief in a conspiracy or cover-up regarding 9/11 is becoming more widespread throughout the continent. It's not a coincidence. They're making this movie to convince people that that's what really happened. Oh, if it's in a movie, it must be true, right?

starvingeyes · Post by **starvingeyes** » 4/26/2006, 7:27 pm

it definitely didn't happen.

the burning question for me is... where are the passengers? gitmo? some other even more secret facility? are they dead?

Axtech · Post by **Axtech** » 4/26/2006, 7:28 pm

I don't know ... it's possible, but it's also more easily explained as a sure money-maker.

naseoj · Post by **naseoj** » 4/26/2006, 7:36 pm

yeah thats one of the last questions i still have about 9/11

what happened to the people on flight 93? where are they now? according to loose change they landed in cleveland and were taken into a detaining centre. but then what.

Axtech · Post by **Axtech** » 4/26/2006, 8:03 pm

My first thought when I started speculating about that was "surely they wouldn't have taken them somewhere to be killed"

then, remembering everything else they've done ... that doesn't seem even remotely absurd any more.

Which makes me wonder ... why would they leave the accused "terrorists" alive? Did they think no one would notice them walking about, living and breathing, despite the fact that they were supposedly in the planes that were used?

I remember when it was first announced that they found the one "terrorist's" passport. When I heard it (this was 4 years ago, of course) I remember trying to fathom how a passport could survive in all of that. But then I hadn't really thought about it since (until it was brought up again in Loose Change, of course).

Hope · Post by **Hope** » 4/26/2006, 10:19 pm

naseoj wrote:
Axtech wrote:and what perfect timing.

There's a movie called "United 93" hitting theatres this week, telling the heroic story of the passengers who fought back and ensured that the 4th plane never reached its target.

Is that really what happened though? According to the students who made Loose Change, it didn't.

If that's the case, I have to wonder if this movie is something written by or written for, or perhaps just promoted by the government. Set up a heroic, patriotic tale behind something not fully explained, and people will be less likely to question it.

One word - propaganda.

Obviously this movie was made (with perfect timing) right when the belief in a conspiracy or cover-up regarding 9/11 is becoming more widespread throughout the continent. It's not a coincidence. They're making this movie to convince people that that's what really happened. Oh, if it's in a movie, it must be true, right?

ummmmmmmmmmmmmm excuse me.

holy crap.

naseoj · Post by **naseoj** » 4/27/2006, 10:32 am

think_about_it · Post by **think_about_it** » 4/27/2006, 1:34 pm

J-Neli wrote:
naseoj wrote:
think_about_it wrote:I'm glad I live in Canada.

Ditto. But you have to admit, harper is a pretty bad prime minister.

ummm... explain what he's done so far since coming into power that was so bad?

I don't know if you can say he's a pretty bad prime minister, But he definetely wasn't my choice. A few things he's done that I disagree with. And of course this is just my opinion.

I really don't think he made a good move when deciding to no longer lower the flags when a Canadian soldier is killed. That just seems disrespectfull to me.

I didn't vote for him, but I also don't agree with the choices he's made about childcare. I forget how much money parents get a month but I don't think its enough to help parents at all.

think_about_it · Post by **think_about_it** » 4/27/2006, 1:38 pm

Axtech wrote:I doubt the Canadian government is just an innocent bystander...

Can I ask why?

think_about_it · Post by **think_about_it** » 4/27/2006, 1:44 pm

I enjoy a good discussion about the possibility of some of these things happen..but to say that a movie was release just in time to add to the cover up and make the conspiracy theory less believeable.. WOW. Some people watch too much tv.

Axtech · Post by **Axtech** » 4/27/2006, 1:57 pm

think_about_it wrote:
Axtech wrote:I doubt the Canadian government is just an innocent bystander...

Can I ask why?

Let's assume the worst for the moment. Let's assume that the US government is a part of the New World Order/Illuminati, and is involved in global conspiracy.

Do you really think Canada, thier closest neighbour, has just sat on the sidelines going about its business completely uninvolved?

I'm not saying that Canada was necessarily directly involved in 9/11 or the ensuing cover-up. But if you're going to get into conspiracy theories and start pointing fingers at the US government, it seems a little naive to assume that our government is completely innocent.

Axtech · Post by **Axtech** » 4/27/2006, 1:58 pm

think_about_it wrote:I enjoy a good discussion about the possibility of some of these things happen..but to say that a movie was release just in time to add to the cover up and make the conspiracy theory less believeable.. WOW. Some people watch too much tv.

So killing thousands of people is normal, but making a movie to support a cover-up is unthinkable? I'm not saying that's necessarily the case (in fact it probably isn't), but it's hardly absurd to think about it.

Kathy · Post by **Kathy** » 4/27/2006, 4:58 pm

think_about_it wrote:I didn't vote for him, but I also don't agree with the choices he's made about childcare. I forget how much money parents get a month but I don't think its enough to help parents at all.

Have you seen this: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ ... 6/TPStory/

"Low- and middle-income families will realize the smallest net benefit from the Harper government's $1,200-a-year child-care payment in part because the Conservatives are scrapping a separate assistance program. "

Wonderful idea! :freak:

Transcendental Paradigm · Post by **Transcendental Paradigm** » 4/27/2006, 8:05 pm

think_about_it wrote:I enjoy a good discussion about the possibility of some of these things happen..but to say that a movie was release just in time to add to the cover up and make the conspiracy theory less believeable.. WOW. Some people watch too much tv.

on the contrary , its us people who DONT watch tv and get our news other ways. and by the way... the movie is being released not only with the public becoming more questioning but also to stir up the public into a frenzy ala our attack on Iran which is coming very very soon.

Axtech · Post by **Axtech** » 4/27/2006, 8:16 pm

Today I saw an ad for ANOTHER movie about the same plane, this one a made-for-TV version called "Flight 93"

wtf?

Johnny · Post by **Johnny** » 4/27/2006, 9:17 pm

I read in People magazine that a Oliver Stone directed movie called 'World Trade Center' is going to hit the theatres later this summer.

oy.

Axtech · Post by **Axtech** » 4/27/2006, 9:42 pm

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0469641/

"In the aftermath of the World Trade Center disaster, hope is still alive. Refusing to bow down to terrorism, rescuers and family of the victims press forward. Their mission of rescue and recovery is driven by the faith that under each piece of rubble, a co-worker, a friend a family member may be found. This is the true story of John McLoughlin and William J. Jimeno, the last two survivors extracted from Ground Zero and the rescuers who never gave up. It's a story of the true heroes of that fateful time in the history of the United States when buildings would fall and heroes would rise, literally from the ashes to inspire the entire human race."

Transcendental Paradigm · Post by **Transcendental Paradigm** » 4/28/2006, 6:35 am

I just read through the whole thread here finally.. I am a bit of a "veteran" of all this conspiracy stuff..

One thing I find surprising is that people find it so hard to believe that a government can orchestrate or allow to happen any number of events.

just a short list of things that were either Orchestrated by the government or allowed to happen by the goverment.

- Oklahoma City ( closely connected to 9/11)
- the '93 WTC bombing (another one closely connected to 9/11
- JFK assasination
- Pearl Harbor ( yes, the US government knew about it, let it happen so we had a reason to enter WWII.. because as you may or may not know, war is very profitable)
- i can't remember the name of the ship at the moment.. but we blew up our own ship in harbor to draw us into I think it was the Spanish-American War.

this is just a small list of highlights of things that have happened mostly recently. I won't even get into all the small things, and other things such as the Patriot Act and Dept. of homeland security.

Anyways, if any of you are interested, I belong to a site called www.abovetopsecret.com, which is the largest conspiracy site on the web(and currently ranked 9th in overall message boards) , as well as having other alternative subjects like aliens/ufo, cryptozoology, etc. We have a whole sub-forum dedicated to 9/11 and 7/7, as well as a whole forum dedicated to the War on Terror. Check it out if you feel like reading some more, but be warned, much of the material may shock and appall you, but like any site, there are quite a few loonies there as well

starvingeyes · Post by **starvingeyes** » 4/28/2006, 2:15 pm

naseoj wrote:
Axtech wrote:7, I think, was supposed to have also collapsed due to fire.

thats the most rediculous thing of all. WTC 7 wasnt even hit by a plane. Collapsed from small fires? Bullplop. Larry Silverstein, the owner, even ADMITTED in an interview that they "pulled" (meaning deliberately demolished) WTC 7. I dont think that was in Loose Change but i saw it in another video i came across.

it was from a PBS documentary and here is the quote:

Larry Silverstein, leaseholder of the WTC, who just months before 9/11 had gained property rights on the entire complex and took out record insurance on it, confirms having given the "pull" order on the PBS documentary America Rebuilds. In the film Silverstein says: "I remember getting a call from the...fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire. And I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life. Maybe the smartest thing to do is pull-it.' And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse." After getting caught in his Freudian slip, Silverstein tried saying that he meant "pull the firefighters off the blaze", but there weren't even any fighting it. Why? Because the fires were so small that there was no danger of a collapse