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thirdhour · Post by **thirdhour** » 4/17/2006, 10:21 pm

We have that same thing sort of going on here with the discussion of native rights to self-rule and for band control and such.

don't ask why · Post by **don't ask why** » 4/18/2006, 8:59 pm

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060419/ap_ ... NlYwM3MDM-

Post by **saman** » 4/18/2006, 11:05 pm

go gore! you show them!

on a lighter, and far more trivial note: http://www.canada.com/topics/entertainm ... ab35488fd2

"TomKat" (:wtf:) have finally had their baby

Axtech · Post by **Axtech** » 4/18/2006, 11:26 pm

I bet she made noise

nelison · Post by **nelison** » 4/19/2006, 5:38 am

She was allowed to make noise... I know the media made this big deal about no noise, but it's actually only the nurses/doctor/father/whoever else is in the room who isn't allowed. Definitely something that the media ran away with and people didn't care enough to look into.

thirdhour · Post by **thirdhour** » 4/19/2006, 6:11 am

it is really hard to find information on scientology admidst the millions of articles on tom cruise when you search the topic....

is the not talking to the baby for 7 days afterwards true?

happening fish · Post by **happening fish** » 4/19/2006, 9:43 am

Yes. Which is psychological suicide.

nelison · Post by **nelison** » 4/19/2006, 3:06 pm

ya they apparently advise that the mom have no contact with the baby for a full day, and no breast feeding is allowed. There have been countless studies about the effect of having the mom and baby be with eachother more often (i guess if you decrease the time between their interactions it will create a stronger bond).

The best bet for learning about it might be through wikipedia or the official scientology website.

Johnny · Post by **Johnny** » 4/19/2006, 3:54 pm

I never speak negatively about people's religion, but Scientology seems a bit....odd.

nelison · Post by **nelison** » 4/19/2006, 4:08 pm

ya a virgin giving birth is a little crazy too...

thirdhour · Post by **thirdhour** » 4/19/2006, 5:17 pm

J-Neli wrote:The best bet for learning about it might be through wikipedia or the official scientology website.

tried both, but nada.

nelison · Post by **nelison** » 4/19/2006, 5:34 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology
There's quite a bit on scientology there with only a small section on the celebrity side...

Axtech · Post by **Axtech** » 4/19/2006, 5:51 pm

hahahaha, I love reading up on Scientology.

"What the Church opposes are brutal, inhumane psychiatric treatments. It does so for three principal reasons: 1) procedures such as electro-shock, drugs and lobotomy injure, maim and destroy people in the guise of help; 2) psychiatry is not a science and has no proven methods to justify the billions of dollars of government funds that are poured into it; and 3) psychiatric theories that man is a mere animal have been used to rationalize, for example, the wholesale slaughter of human beings in World Wars I and II."

First of all, I'd like to hear the reasoning behind the 2nd statement. No proven methods? How about centuries of research? Clinical successes?

Clearly L. Ron Hubbard knows better than generations of teams of highly educated individuals conducting years of arduous, intesive research.

Now back to the 1st... It depends largely on how you use them. Yes, practices in the past have later been criticized for being inhumane. But I love the reasoning that since it has been used improperly in the past, drugs and psychosurgery can never be used to in any way benefit the patient.

As for 3 ... um... when has "psychiatry" ever claimed to rationalize slaughtering people?

Then again, I don't know the history of psychiatry. Tom Cruise does.

/glib

Axtech · Post by **Axtech** » 4/19/2006, 5:56 pm

hahahahaha, how perfect is this. While I submitted that, this line came on Seinfeld:

George: I ... I didn't mean anything by it! I don't even know L. Ron Hubbard! I didn't know you were with that group!
Jerry: Wow, those Scientologists can be pretty sensitive.

Joe Cooler · Post by **Joe Cooler** » 4/19/2006, 8:34 pm

J-Neli wrote:ya a virgin giving birth is a little crazy too...

Yup, that's a miracle for you.

Post by **saman** » 4/19/2006, 8:46 pm

...no breast feeding?? well, i'm sure that does the baby a whole bunch of good when its immune system is compromised because it didn't get the mom's colostrum like it should've. but at least it'll be free of "engrams" :freak:

Axtech · Post by **Axtech** » 4/19/2006, 8:59 pm

You don't know the history of breastfeeding.

Post by **saman** » 4/19/2006, 9:05 pm

hmm, guess i don't at that, but that doesn't make me cringe about it any less

*nutrition freak to the core*

Joe Cooler · Post by **Joe Cooler** » 4/19/2006, 9:59 pm

Has scientology ever recieved any good press? It seems the only people promoting scientology are scientologists.

Axtech · Post by **Axtech** » 4/19/2006, 10:30 pm

It's hard to give something so rediculous good press unless you're invested in it.