Our Lady Peace: Live @ Launch discussion topic...

Axtech · Post by **Axtech** » 10/12/2005, 4:08 pm

Yes, bands change! Exactly! Maybe they don't want Steve in the band any more! We don't know!

I'm not arguing that this is exactly what's happening, I'm just saying that it won't do any good to ignore the possibility just because you want a happy image of the band.

Mainly what I'm saying that it makes no sense that Steve sits back while a guest musician does all the work. (the rest is just speculation as to why)

The band (Raine, as I recall) said that they wanted a lead guitarist with a bigger presence on stage (or something to that effect). Quoting one other statement doesn't discount that.

In this context, it doesn't matter that Mike left the band. I'm not even comparing Steve to Mike (you're the one who brought that up). I liked Steve, for things he does in the live show. Like the Superman's Dead outro. Turns out that was Steve and Joel playing lead, so it's not so impressive. Then we finally got to hear his creative work with the new album. I like some of the guitar work on HIPT. Now I don't know who actually did it! From the looks of things Joel did all the work on A/L/S, something we otherwise would have given Steve credit for.

Random Name · Post by **Random Name** » 10/12/2005, 4:23 pm

You know, now that you mention it, I watched Joel more in concert then I did Steve.

But that's completly irrelivent. I just wanted to share.

Tattooed Angels · Post by **Tattooed Angels** » 10/12/2005, 4:32 pm

Random Name wrote:You know, now that you mention it, I watched Joel more in concert then I did Steve.

But that's completly irrelivent. I just wanted to share.

that's cause Joel is an amazing musician.. Which reminds me it has been ages since I stood on that side of stage.. :lol:

Lately I have been in front of Raine or between him and Steve. Actually you have a great view of Jeremy if you get between Steve and raine. The last time I think I was in front of Duncan was Paris( 2002), . I think we may of been in front of him for the UCONN show in 03'.. makes mental note to get on Duncan's side soon. :nod:

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ROB you were the who said OLP got rid of Mike for an in your face guitarist an Steve isn't living up to that. that is why I said I won't compare..

Honestly I think OLP would call it a day then look for another guitarist. Esp since Joel has his own thing going on.. Plus Raine is into producing more then before..

welel let'snot speculate anymore. Let's just enjoy what the band has given us no matter who is playing.

Axtech · Post by **Axtech** » 10/12/2005, 4:42 pm

I didn't say that, nor did I compare them.

Axtech wrote:But why the hell isn't Steve playing any of the lead stuff any more? Is he not the in-your-face frontman guitarist the band just had to have?

Yes, I implied that he was chosen for that reason when Mike left. You, however, brought Mike and his ability into it, when that's really a moot point.

Axtech · Post by **Axtech** » 10/12/2005, 4:47 pm

Besides, my point is exactly that it does matter who played/wrote on the album. Like I said, what if they made Raine a backup vocalist and had someone else write the lyrics and sing, but they still publically gave Raine credit (ie, photo shoots, interviews, videos, etc...).

In fact, here's the perfect situation!

The band is making a video for A/L/S. If they have a performance part of the video, will Steve play the lead? If he didn't play it on the album, why should he play it in the video? Is he Milli or Vanilli?

Again, that's assuming that he didn't play it on the album. I'm not saying that's for sure, but my point is that IF this is the case, it isn't right by a wide margin.

Tattooed Angels · Post by **Tattooed Angels** » 10/12/2005, 4:49 pm

I was sonly saying that Jamie did lead parts that Mike didn't also..it is not a big deal.. If it was every song it be a big deal.It is only this one performance. I still remember the day the I saw Jamie playing the part that all along I thought was Mike. What a big disappointment that was to me caus eit is a major lead part.. Mike even told my friend and I that by having Jamie play it makes his job easier. Maybe it is the same with Steve..

Let's just call a truse here. We will never see eye to eye on this..

afealicious · Post by **afealicious** » 10/12/2005, 4:50 pm

yes you two, please call it a truce. :lol:

Tattooed Angels · Post by **Tattooed Angels** » 10/12/2005, 4:51 pm

afealicious wrote:yes you two, please call it a truce.

I do. I

Rob. Seriously.. He is one of Mike's most devouted fans. :duncan:

namkablam · Post by **namkablam** » 10/12/2005, 5:15 pm

Rob and Gail, kiss and make up.

:-*

Random Name · Post by **Random Name** » 10/12/2005, 5:15 pm

what the crap did Mike have to do with this entire conversation?

Kaegan · Post by **Kaegan** » 10/12/2005, 5:23 pm

Gail, I have to say... you're being a bit ridiculous here. You're claiming that Rob said things he didn't, and bringing up things that are completely unrelated. Not a great way to argue a point. You brought up that he was a big Emtee fan, which is completely unrelated. Then when Rob decides to actually point out that you have been putting words in his mouth, you try to end it all with a truce? I think it's absolutely ridiculous! Also please, everyone, read over your posts before you post it and make sure you're saying exactly what you say (and in proper english/grammar too). That'd make things much easier.

Let's just sum it up in a few points

- If Steve didn't play on the album, then he shouldn't receive credit
- If Steve did play on the album, then we're all wondering why he's not playing lead

Not a big deal... I think we can all agree on that.

namkablam · Post by **namkablam** » 10/12/2005, 5:25 pm

J/R/S

Axtech · Post by **Axtech** » 10/12/2005, 5:32 pm

Kaegan wrote:Let's just sum it up in a few points

- If Steve didn't play on the album, then he shouldn't receive credit
- If Steve did play on the album, then we're all wondering why he's not playing lead

Not a big deal... I think we can all agree on that.

Exactly. It doesn't matter if I like Mike. It doesn't matter who the king of Spain is or whether he prefers Coke or Pepsi.

It's all speculation, and there's nothing to argue about (of course, it's hard not to argue when you're misquoted).

J/R/S?

afealicious · Post by **afealicious** » 10/12/2005, 5:33 pm

JAY SLASH ARR SLASH ESS?

Axtech · Post by **Axtech** » 10/12/2005, 5:37 pm

WORD!

namkablam · Post by **namkablam** » 10/12/2005, 5:38 pm

HOLLA BACK!

J/R/S

Axtech · Post by **Axtech** » 10/12/2005, 5:42 pm

I thought you said you weren't no holla back girl... :GASP:

Tattooed Angels · Post by **Tattooed Angels** » 10/12/2005, 5:42 pm

Axtech wrote:
Kaegan wrote:Let's just sum it up in a few points

- If Steve didn't play on the album, then he shouldn't receive credit
- If Steve did play on the album, then we're all wondering why he's not playing lead

Not a big deal... I think we can all agree on that.

Exactly. It doesn't matter if I like Mike. It doesn't matter who the king of Spain is or whether he prefers Coke or Pepsi.

It's all speculation, and there's nothing to argue about (of course, it's hard not to argue when you're misquoted).

J/R/S?

it is not being misquoted but perception. I just took what you said different then what you meant. It is all perception..

I took you saying that OLP got rid of Mike for a in your face guitar player and steve isn't living that up to as you saying WHy they hell is steve with them in the first place..

just as people take what I say the wrong way.. You do know Rob I do not have aproblem with you..I do find it is funny how every once in awhile we clash.Goes to show how passionate we really are. :nod:

Keagan I was not putting words in anyone mouth, but as you said people post what they amy not mean...

it just bothers me how everyone all of a sudden is speculating just how much Steve did play on the cd. Now that is ridiculous cause you are basing it on this one performance.. I havee seen them perform this stuff live quite a few times now.. Trust me Steve is playing alot of lead..

also what does J/R/S stand for.. ? can;t figure that one out..

namkablam · Post by **namkablam** » 10/12/2005, 5:43 pm

Axtech · Post by **Axtech** » 10/12/2005, 5:51 pm

So much for "truse"!

Tattooed Angels wrote:it is not being misquoted but perception. I just took what you said different then what you meant. It is all perception..

I took you saying that OLP got rid of Mike for a in your face guitar player and steve isn't living that up to as you saying WHy they hell is steve with them in the first place..

just as people take what I say the wrong way.. you do know Rob I do not have aproblem with you, but it is funny how everyonce in awhile we clash.goes to show how passionate we really are.

also keagan I was not putting words in anyone mouth, but as you said people post what they mean.

it just bothers me how everyone all of a sudden speculation just how much Steve did play on the cd. Now that is ridiculous cause you are basing it on this one performance.. ahve seen them perform this stuff live quite a few times now.. trust me Steve is playing alot of lead..

When you say that I brought up Mike, even after I explicitly say that I didn't, that's not perception (unless blindness is a form of perception).

YET AGAIN, I'll say it: I'm basing it on the possibility that Steve doesn't play A/L/S at all, and the question of why Steve, the lead guitarist, would sit there doing nothing while a guest musician plays. I know there's other posibilities, like I've said a number of times. That's what speculation is. If it was a fact, I wouldn't have said multiple times that I know it's not a fact. I know it's rediculous, as implied by the fact that I was laughing at myself and others for talking about it.

I'm sorry if you don't like it when people bring up things that could possibly be negative about a band you like, but ignoring the point isn't going to make it go away. When we know one way or the other, we can stop speculating. Until then, given that we all know it's just speculation in good fun, there's nothing wrong with it.