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Henrietta
also may i say that i find it a little silly that people keep making up new labels and identities for different kinds of sexuality, seeing as i personally believe that every person expresses their sexuality in a completely unique way, much like their personality.
I have to agree with this whole heartedly. Although I don't agree with homosexual practices under any label, I believe that human beings have attraction to eachother regardless of gender. What we do with that is our choice depending upon our beliefs.
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Cass wrote:also may i say that i find it a little silly that people keep making up new labels and identities for different kinds of sexuality, seeing as i personally believe that every person expresses their sexuality in a completely unique way, much like their personality.
...I believe that human beings have attraction to eachother regardless of gender. What we do with that is our choice depending upon our beliefs.
this is what i was trying to say...cept you folks said it better.
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<font color="#89CDCC">Imagine no possesions, I wonder if you can, no need for greed or <font color="#FFFFFF">hunger</font>,
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the terms bi-sexual, homosexual, and heterosexual are basically outdated now, and only use full in gernal statements. Like i said most the science community and myself believe in the sexuality as a scale not three difrent denominations.
i would also like to clarify that sexuality is based on attraction. not sexual actions. a gay man is still gay even if he's a virgin, and a straight woman can still be straight even if she's experimented.
although i guess in the preceding paragraph i contradicted the first one, but you get the idea
i would also like to clarify that sexuality is based on attraction. not sexual actions. a gay man is still gay even if he's a virgin, and a straight woman can still be straight even if she's experimented.
although i guess in the preceding paragraph i contradicted the first one, but you get the idea
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
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closeyoureyes
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no one bashed Religion, can you not be a religious person and still have your own views on sexuality? And if you agree with your faith's teachings of sexuality, can you not have a discussion about it? Can you not make arguments that are valid other then through faith? I would incourage all atheists and agnostics on here to respect those of faith though. Shouldn't we be able ot have a mature secular argument?
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
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closeyoureyes
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I'm a Practising Catholic, and my mother is a Lesbian 
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It has nothing to do with Faith, it has to do with the fact that most people associate Religion with closemindedness, and they also see it in entirety as being Politically Incorrect.
Therefore, its always on the chopping block, especially in debates like these.
ALSO, If you take your faith seriously, you cannot become "Secular" from it, because it is a part of who you are. I know lots of people who are Christian or whatever, and are completely accepting of Homosexuality. I also know of lots of Christians who are not accepting of it. Irregardless, they live with their faith as a huge part of themselves. Its not like they go "Christian Self agrees with this, Sports fan self agrees with this" etc.
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It has nothing to do with Faith, it has to do with the fact that most people associate Religion with closemindedness, and they also see it in entirety as being Politically Incorrect.
Therefore, its always on the chopping block, especially in debates like these.
ALSO, If you take your faith seriously, you cannot become "Secular" from it, because it is a part of who you are. I know lots of people who are Christian or whatever, and are completely accepting of Homosexuality. I also know of lots of Christians who are not accepting of it. Irregardless, they live with their faith as a huge part of themselves. Its not like they go "Christian Self agrees with this, Sports fan self agrees with this" etc.
sinead
i suppose so, but what i mean is, a person should have reasons outside or religion to validate your views. It should be possible to have a debate without using faith references. After all what is the point of religion if it can't at least be partly validated in the real world.
One comment I wanted to make about the term "Secular". So many people of faith view it was such open hostility, but i think misunderstand it's true meaning. It means an absence of religion, not "anti" religion. The reason this is needed in science and politics, is not to destroy or antagonize religion, it is in place as a acceptance of the worlds many differing faiths and ideologies.
One comment I wanted to make about the term "Secular". So many people of faith view it was such open hostility, but i think misunderstand it's true meaning. It means an absence of religion, not "anti" religion. The reason this is needed in science and politics, is not to destroy or antagonize religion, it is in place as a acceptance of the worlds many differing faiths and ideologies.
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
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Henrietta
I'm gonna have to agree with Sinead here. I don't let religion be a part of my life. I think if you even think of religion like that then you're just religious, not spiritual. That's fine for you. But it's not a huge part of me, it's me. You absolutely could not seperate me from my identity with being LDS. I just wouldn't be me anymore. That doesn't mean I can't use political and scientific means to justify my beliefs. But my beliefs ALWAYS guide my thinking.
i see, i don't agree with that really, but you have the right to live your life however you choose so i won't get into it
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
do you not agree that politics should be secular though? Modern Democracy itself was based on the idea
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
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Henrietta
do you not agree that politics should be secular though? Modern Democracy itself was based on the idea
lol it's funny how this thread has become only mildly related to the original idea
lol it's funny how this thread has become only mildly related to the original idea
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
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Henrietta
That's a tough one. I believe that this country was built up for the sole purpose of bringing about the fullness of the last dispensation, and that only could have happened in America. Which required secularity. I geuss I believe that our laws and practices should be based on a foundation of faith in God and morality. But not operated by any certain religion. That's really a tough one I'm gonna have to think about some more.
One thing that bothers me is the implication that morals are something directly linked to Christianity. Most basic morals are already ingrained into human society, with a few variations. This is why all 4 main religions have basically the same basic, and guiding moral codes. Therefore, laws need not, and should not, in my opinion, be based on any one religion's moral code, but the agreed upon morals of the society. To base law on a faiths teachings is to oppress millions of people, and force a religious view upon them.
a good example is when fanatical leaders run countries such as the many Islamic countries. Would you be comfortable in a society that based it's laws on a religion that was not yours? How would you feel living in a country that forced women to cover all skin? would that be wrong?
a good example is when fanatical leaders run countries such as the many Islamic countries. Would you be comfortable in a society that based it's laws on a religion that was not yours? How would you feel living in a country that forced women to cover all skin? would that be wrong?
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month