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AnnieDreams · Post by **AnnieDreams** » 6/18/2005, 3:13 pm

Yeah, it was never discussed or mentioned that it might be wrong. It was in all our notes and tests and exam.

closeyoureyes · Post by **closeyoureyes** » 6/18/2005, 3:15 pm

Joe Cooler · Post by **Joe Cooler** » 6/18/2005, 3:32 pm

AnnieDreams wrote:We didn't actually go in-depth into Darwinism and exactly what it was, but we did a heck of a lot on survival of the fittest and/or Natural Selection.

That's pretty much Darwinism.

nikki4982 · Post by **nikki4982** » 6/18/2005, 6:48 pm

Most things in school are taught as "absolute truth", and a lot of them aren't. It's up to kids when they get older to decide whether they believe them or not. *shrugs*

Joe Cooler · Post by **Joe Cooler** » 6/18/2005, 7:21 pm

Most things taught in school are truth. There is no debating that 2+2=4 or that World War 2 occured. However when it comes to the origin of the world, there are two very distinct camps. Evolution is being taught as truth and creationism or Intelligent Design is not being mentioned at all. It's not fair to only teach one theory and teach it as "truth." The majority of kids out there will not bother to investigate evolutions claims later in life because they will assume it is truth just like every other fact they've learned. Why not teach both as theory's and let them decide right then and there.

afealicious · Post by **afealicious** » 6/18/2005, 7:58 pm

the majority of kids aren't going to go on to peruse the mysteries of the universe. so where there are grey areas in the curriculum, they've still got to be taught something. once they've learned it, they accept it and get on with life and don't care anymore.

Joe Cooler · Post by **Joe Cooler** » 6/18/2005, 11:46 pm

They dont have to persue the mystery's of the universe. All they have to be taught is that evolution is "truth" and if evolution is truth then there is no God. I know of many people who put the idea of God to death after going through highschool science. And putting to death ones religious interests or even the exploration of religion shouldnt be taken as lightly as most people think. Especially because the very theory being taught is greatly flawed.

Henrietta · Post by **Henrietta** » 6/18/2005, 11:50 pm

In my high school evolution was the only thing taught. Maybe somewhere they mentioned creationism, but there was no discussion. Which seems sort of odd because almost everyone here is religious. But it never bothered me at all. I geuss I just knew that I didn't have to believe what they told me as absolute truth, and that I could change it any way I wanted for my own life. As for the test...well just do like you do for every other class. Do what you gotta do to get an A, even if you don't believe in it. And alot of things taught in public schools are not true. There are so many ideas and opinions that are pushed. Especially in state funded universities and colleges. I have wasted so much time in classes where I thought the professor knew crap and taught crap.

closeyoureyes · Post by **closeyoureyes** » 6/19/2005, 12:34 am

I just don't think theories should be taught as the absolute truth, unless its as the absolute truth of a THEORY. Evolution is taught as the cement and ultimate truth, which isn't fair because it's greatly flawed.

They should only teach TRUTH. Which will never happen. :lol:

nikki4982 · Post by **nikki4982** » 6/19/2005, 12:44 am

But in school, they do teach the evolutionary theory. It's called that. At least it was at my school.

There's also the fact that if a child is religious, they get taught the religious belief of creationism or whatever it's called in Sunday school or whatever. So they're getting both sides of it, just not in the same place.

Oh, and just because someone believes in evolution doesn't mean they don't believe in god. :wtf:

It just means they don't believe everything in the bible... or wherever the whole creationalist thingamabob is written.

I clearly know zip about religious beliefs. :lol:

But you get what I'm saying, I hope.

closeyoureyes · Post by **closeyoureyes** » 6/19/2005, 1:00 am

God being the creator of the universe... is maybe one of the BIGGEST beliefs/doctrinations in Christianity. Well, Catholocism, but i would imagine it would extend to protestant religions as well. Its at the very beginning of the Bible.

The only reason teaching evolutionism OR creationism in school is because neither are.. how do I put this.. scientifically proven. In a religious school, teaching creationism is fine, whatever, But in a school that isnt a particular religion it shouldn't be taught. I don't think evolution should ever be taught as anything other than a theory because it isnt proven. It was taught to me, and other members who've posted in here as the truth.

nikki4982 · Post by **nikki4982** » 6/19/2005, 1:06 am

I wasn't talking about Christianity, I was talking about god... or rather "a god". He said flat out that "if evolution is truth then there is no God".

beautiful liar · Post by **beautiful liar** » 6/19/2005, 3:21 am

one of my science teachers, when explaining evolution, also explained how it could align with the school's catholic doctrine. she went into great detail talking about it, because some of the kids were having trouble accepting how creationism was taught in religion class, and evolution in science.

in her opinion, god set in motion evolution as part as his devine plan, starting with the creation of the universe, because he is perfect and devine, etc. he knew it would result ultimately in humanity. the first books of the bible are metaphorical, and therefore, it works out.

she went on to explain that both are merely theories, nothing can be proven conclusively, that until science delves deeper we must rely on a combination of common sense (sorting fact from fiction) and faith (in god, etc.).

i liked that teacher. she knew what she believed, but she also was firm in trying to encourage us to seek out our own truths. the religion teacher never did that.

as an atheist in a catholic school, i had more respect for that science teacher than did most in that class (i somehow ended up in a science class with all the religous kids...all 10 of them :\ bizarre coincidence). they said she was "selling out god" :lol:

nikki4982 · Post by **nikki4982** » 6/19/2005, 3:50 am

^ I was actually gonna bring that up but decided against it (mostly because I forgot to post it before :lol:

)... it baffles my mind that you posted it. :freak:

Though, I guess the concept isn't all that "out there". But anyway, yeah, I don't believe in god at all, but if I did, I'd believe in the combo of god/evolution (and at one point in my life I did). I don't see why one has to exist without the other.

AnnieDreams · Post by **AnnieDreams** » 6/19/2005, 7:15 am

I was sort of wondering, how is it that darwinism is horribly flawed? We studied documented examples of it actually happening, and it seemed right. . .

nikki4982 · Post by **nikki4982** » 6/19/2005, 7:21 am

I was wondering that, too... I also don't know what's so flawed about the evolutionary theory.

Joe Cooler · Post by **Joe Cooler** » 6/19/2005, 9:04 am

What's flawed about evolution? Well lets look at some basic icons of evolution you may have seeen in your text book starting with Darwin's "tree of evolution."

The idea behind Darwins Tree of Evolution is that all living species had a common ancestory and that evolution drove the variation of the countless animals we see today in effect branching out from one trunk. You simply have to look at the fossil recod to see that the tree is a failure. By looking at the fossil record we see basic ocean life like Jelly Fish and spounges. Then comes what sceintists call the Cambrian Explosion which resulted in nearly all the various types of life forms on earth popping up at once. The problem is there is no gradual divergence between the sea life and what arose after the Cambrian Explosion like Darwin expected. Darwin himself stated that the fossil record undermined his theory. He was hoping that later fossil discoveries would validate his theory but the opposite has occured.

Next comes the famous Miller experiment in which Miller was said to recreate the conditions of early earth to understand how life could have arisen (and then gone on to evolve) The result was that he created an amino acid which he stated was "an early building block of life." However today we know that the envirnment would have been totally unlike what Miller used in his experiment. Secondly an amino acid by itself will not go on to produce life. You could put ALL the building blocks of a cell in a glass of water and they wouldnt form into one, much less an amino acid.

Anyway i'm off for lunch. More later.

closeyoureyes · Post by **closeyoureyes** » 6/19/2005, 11:13 am

The biggest issue i have with Darwinism is the fact that more Apes aren't evolving into human beings. And for that matter, human beings have stopped physically evolving all together. It doesn't make sense.

happening fish · Post by **happening fish** » 6/19/2005, 12:06 pm

That last bit is absolutely not true. As recently as the middle ages, people were on average a foot shorter. My personal theory on this, though I haven't done the appropriate research, is that it correlates to the increased brain capacity that has also been recorded. Bigger/heavier brain = bigger body to carry it around.

closeyoureyes · Post by **closeyoureyes** » 6/19/2005, 12:29 pm

So what you're saying is we're slowly evolving?
And i've never heard about the Middle Ages people being shorter. I'll look it up.