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I AM ME wrote:They are already out to the masses in Canada. The reason they started to loose them is because of the drastic changes they were making around happiness era. Not to say they shouldn't have, it is definatly a must. But right now in Canada there's a lot going on in the rock scene, and people are accepting of original stuff that before the masses might not have dug. I think they didn't need to simplifiy anything to continue in Canada, they just needed a revitalization. Gravity was a quick boost to OLP's career in Canada, but ultimatly i think it may have been destructive to there future sucess, because the fans they won over with Gravity, to be honest probably don't have as much intrest in old olp, nor new olp if they change again.

OLP are not an unknown band that need to break out. They're a band that needs to come out with something new and musically superior to bring back the old fans and make new long-time ones. Because to be honest there's a lot of people that would love OLP but they're turned off by it's continuing "generic", "SWOT" image, and don't see the other things going on, they do't take them seriously anymore. OLP is stuck in a musical limbo. They just can't pull off the commerical and pop success that some other bands can, but they also arn't groudbreaking or intelectual enough anymore to draw on the more hard-core (elitist asshole...Ex Me) crowd. So they're stuck depending on odd hit singles for life support.

Anyways, this is all assuming that simplifing has been their choice, maybe it is just a natural progression, which you can't blame them for. They're still one of the better bands in North America, and the world...they're just not a contender for best anymore.

Anyways these are just my thoughts, don't take this as an attack i'm actually holding out hope, and looking forward to the new album, maybe they're even take a risk witha single like they used to which is whatthey need to do i think, the worst that could happen is it could flop like "Made of Steal" did, and they can just release a safe one after.



I know OLP are HUGE in Canada..They do not have the same success in teh USA.. that is what I mean get out to the masses.. Clumsy was a huge cd for them but only on the alternative scence.. Somewhere Out there was huge all over.. modern/alt rock, rock, pop. adult com, and top 40.. I don;t think any other OLP song did that.. and although they released 1-2 more singles off that CD, only SWOt was the huge hit..I never even heard the other songs on teh radio where I live...

OLP have always appealed to people thru word of mouth. I remember when SM came out and going to the shows. People know all the song and the cd ws barely out, any song had the crowd singing. that was the cd that should of beeen big for them here but wasnt'.

it is so hard for any band to be big now and long lasting. let's be real how many bands who are huge now have long term appeal. thisis on problem I feel th industry has.. want aqcik fix-so not willing to take the time to develope an artist.. that is what is sad to me..

getting off topic there.. I was just saying that BOB is very commerical, but that is not necessarily a bad thing.. Personally in OLP's case I think SM was their best cd..


Yeah I don't know, I live in Canada, and I wouldn't say OLP was ever HUGE here. Just because they can pack a 6000 seat stadium doesn't mean they're huge, especially when they have fans willing to travel long distances to see them. So I don't really think they were ever that huge, maybe with Clumsy and Superman's Dead, but even that I wouldn't call HUGE. And now with the big time gap between Gravity and the new album, they're pretty much all but forgotten from what I can see, except of course for the hardcore fans.
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evanw60 wrote:Yeah I don't know, I live in Canada, and I wouldn't say OLP was ever HUGE here. Just because they can pack a 6000 seat stadium doesn't mean they're huge, especially when they have fans willing to travel long distances to see them. So I don't really think they were ever that huge, maybe with Clumsy and Superman's Dead, but even that I wouldn't call HUGE. And now with the big time gap between Gravity and the new album, they're pretty much all but forgotten from what I can see, except of course for the hardcore fans.



how can yo say OLP weren't and aren't huge in Canada? You know why they toured so much for SM in the USA( this was according to them) cause they were played non-stop in Canada. You couldn't turn on the radio or tv without seeing OLP on them.. They were in overkill there. The fans didn't like it cause they felt they were cheated out of liveshows..

Also OLP have won numerous Junos, and much video awards..Their songs were huge on teh radio. Every time I was in Cananda( no matter where) I couldn't turn on the radio without hearing them.. I don;t know aobut now cause they haven;t released stuff in over a year, but if you thik OLP weren't huge in Canada you are sadly mistaken..

You say they arent huge cause they can pack 6000 seat places and fans followed them long distant.. then what would you consider to be huge.. besides weren;t the areana on teh Trailer Park tour over 10,000?

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evanw60 wrote:Yeah I don't know, I live in Canada, and I wouldn't say OLP was ever HUGE here. Just because they can pack a 6000 seat stadium doesn't mean they're huge, especially when they have fans willing to travel long distances to see them. So I don't really think they were ever that huge, maybe with Clumsy and Superman's Dead, but even that I wouldn't call HUGE. And now with the big time gap between Gravity and the new album, they're pretty much all but forgotten from what I can see, except of course for the hardcore fans.



how can yo say OLP weren't and aren't huge in Canada? You know why they toured so much for SM in the USA( this was according to them) cause they were played non-stop in Canada. You couldn't turn on the radio or tv without seeing OLP on them.. They were in overkill there. The fans didn't like it cause they felt they were cheated out of liveshows..

Also OLP have won numerous Junos, and much video awards..Their songs were huge on teh radio. Every time I was in Cananda( no matter where) I couldn't turn on the radio without hearing them.. I don;t know aobut now cause they haven;t released stuff in over a year, but if you thik OLP weren't huge in Canada you are sadly mistaken..

You say they arent huge cause they can pack 6000 seat places and fans followed them long distant.. then what would you consider to be huge.. besides weren;t the areana on teh Trailer Park tour over 10,000?


No need to get snappy because I state an opinion. But I'm telling you, from MY point of view, as a Canadian citizen, they were never HUGE. Yes, you could turn on the radio or MuchMusic and not see or hear OLP, often for days, or weeks, depending on where you tuned into. The fact that they fill 6000 seat stadiums shows to me that have a loyal fanbase, not that it's HUGE. I think it's pretty apparant that their fanbase isn't humongous. 6000 people out of 30+ million? Not that great a percentage. How come I've only ever personally known one other person who's been an OLP fan (and isn't anymore)?
You don't have to get offended, because I'm not insulting you, and I'm not insulting the band. Who ever said that being popular meant you had artistic merit? It's USUALLY the opposite. I personally feel that during the time of Clumsy and Happiness... they were in the top of the field. So don't get your panties in a bunch because I have an opinion. And in Ottawa, the Fear of the Trailer Park Tour didn't sell out, it was LESS than 6000. In fact, I got made fun of for going, so that shows you what the popular consensus for OLP was at that time. Does that mean they're bad or untalented? Of course not.
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No need to get snappy because I state an opinion. But I'm telling you, from MY point of view, as a Canadian citizen, they were never HUGE. Yes, you could turn on the radio or MuchMusic and not see or hear OLP, often for days, or weeks, depending on where you tuned into. The fact that they fill 6000 seat stadiums shows to me that have a loyal fanbase, not that it's HUGE.


... then what IS your definition of HUGE. HUGE doesnt necessarily mean that they have artistic talent, either. it just means your uber popular.
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Which is what I was saying. I don't think OLP, at any point in their career, were 'uber popular'.
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Well, i'd say, everyone knows who OLP is, in canada. Or atleast, people in highschool these days. But I'm the only one who has them as my favourite band. I dont know anyone else. I dont think they're as big as Avril, BNL, Shania or anything, they just arent. They're well liked, but I dont think they've ever been "Huge" in canada, or anywhere for that matter.
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^ :nod: thats correct. everyone KNOWS who OLP is, but they aren't canadian music icons or anything like avril. they're known to everyone, have pretty good sales, people know their songs.
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In fact, I got made fun of for going, so that shows you what the popular consensus for OLP was at that time. Does that mean they're bad or untalented? Of course not.[/quote]


yeah i know what you mean, i know lots of people that tottally make fun of olp, and lots of the time i can't even really defend them, afer Gravity they lost a lot of respect, and became a popish band.
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^ :( i have the exact same problem. im often trying to get people to listen to olp's good stuff but all these hardcore hardrock guys are like "but they are rock pansies" and would rather prefer to listen to nickelback...... hmm.

and i can't argue, after SOT and made of steel. They wont belive me that Naveed is in fact, really really good and really rocking.
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Lol yeah they wenty from an agressive live rock band with a healthy grunge tinge, to somesort a psedo-rock/pop group, that just can't quite put out anything catchy enough to get the pop fans. They tottally lost all the rock fans, i still ove olp but new olp just makes me feel like a *.

And when i say that i don't mean it in a discrimitory or insulting way to homosexuals, i think most of you know i support gay marrige and gay rights. lol i also don't want to insult the gay community by accusing them of liking Gravity.
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I AM ME wrote: They tottally lost all the rock fans, i still ove olp but new olp just makes me feel like a *.

And when i say that i don't mean it in a discrimitory or insulting way to homosexuals, i think most of you know i support gay marrige and gay rights. lol i also don't want to insult the gay community by accusing them of liking Gravity.


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Yeah, I know people who make fun of OLP. But you know what? They mostly listen to rap, or avril lavigne. So, yeah. :lol:
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Yeah, but there are a lot more rap fans than OLP fans. I know it's not a fair argument, considering how Rap is a genre encompassing many many bands, and OLP is just one band. But the point is that OLP isn't HUGE. And you know, I wouldn't even say that everyone in Canada knows who OLP is. Many a time I've mentioned them, only to the response of "what's that?" or "who's that?".
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evanw60 wrote:[No need to get snappy because I state an opinion. But I'm telling you, from MY point of view, as a Canadian citizen, they were never HUGE. Yes, you could turn on the radio or MuchMusic and not see or hear OLP, often for days, or weeks, depending on where you tuned into. The fact that they fill 6000 seat stadiums shows to me that have a loyal fanbase, not that it's HUGE. I think it's pretty apparant that their fanbase isn't humongous. 6000 people out of 30+ million? Not that great a percentage. How come I've only ever personally known one other person who's been an OLP fan (and isn't anymore)?
You don't have to get offended, because I'm not insulting you, and I'm not insulting the band. Who ever said that being popular meant you had artistic merit? It's USUALLY the opposite. I personally feel that during the time of Clumsy and Happiness... they were in the top of the field. So don't get your panties in a bunch because I have an opinion. And in Ottawa, the Fear of the Trailer Park Tour didn't sell out, it was LESS than 6000. In fact, I got made fun of for going, so that shows you what the popular consensus for OLP was at that time. Does that mean they're bad or untalented? Of course not.


I wasn't getting snappy or am I offended.. I am trying to understand why you feel OLP aren';t huge in their own country.. Just cause you only knew one other person who was into OLP doesn;'t mean they weren't huge throughout the country..

Hey I couldn't tell y ou who the biggest artist in USA is now.. That doesn't mean the person isn't huge, just that I don't know them.. I don't think there are any bands that been heard by every single person. That doesn;t mean they weren't huge.. It also boils down to location...

I never said you couldn't have an opinion.. Just trying to figure out and find out why you feel that way.. Just like I stated why I feel the way I do..

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He feels that way because they were never huge in canada.
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You dont think so sinead? I'd say they were pretty huge in their clumsy days. I know a ton of people who own the album.
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