Who won?

Corey · Post by **Corey** » 10/6/2004, 11:15 am

Kerry buried Bush but I believe Cheney had the edge on Edwards.

Cole · Post by **Cole** » 10/6/2004, 11:50 pm

all you americans here...PLEASE vote for kerry, or you'd be endangering the life of the entire world. at least think of the children.. :uh:

I AM ME · Post by **I AM ME** » 10/7/2004, 1:48 am

Corey wrote:Kerry buried Bush but I believe Cheney had the edge on Edwards.

awesome to see a Republican still able to admit the truth, without feeling that his views are threatened.

Just like i'll admit, as Edwards did, that an ultra conservitive like Cheney denying a ban on gay marriges, took a lot of balls.

nelison · Post by **nelison** » 10/7/2004, 8:19 am

Cole wrote:all you americans here...PLEASE vote for kerry, or you'd be endangering the life of the entire world. at least think of the children..

Do you think Bush is actually gonna nuke everyone? please give your head a shake. Thanks.

First off, nothing will change no matter who is in power. It will take years for the US army to be out of Iraq and neither Kerry nor Bush can change that. I think it was wrong to go in there in the first place but now they're stuck, and basically screwed for many years to come. 2008 election we'll be talking about how to get the troops out of Iraq, just watch.

Sufjan Stevens · Post by **Sufjan Stevens** » 10/7/2004, 9:59 am

I love how the only people that post in these presidential threads aren't from America. :lol:

happening fish · Post by **happening fish** » 10/7/2004, 10:17 am

That's weird!

Corey · Post by **Corey** » 10/8/2004, 8:51 pm

Bush looked much stronger and was much more convincing on some of the issues tonight than last debate. I believe tonight's debate will shift Kerry's momentum back towards Bush a little bit.

Kerry looked good but didn't really say anything new. He also made a lof of promises without explanation.

For undecided voters like myself... these debates are really proving to be helpful.

starseed_10 · Post by **starseed_10** » 10/8/2004, 11:38 pm

Bush did a pretty good job.

and Kerry's "plans" he has for absolutely everything hardly seem feasible. I think he went a bit overboard.

Corey · Post by **Corey** » 10/8/2004, 11:53 pm

Yeah, he makes it sound like everything is going to be rainbows and butterflies if elected president.

I'm going to make Iraq a playground.
I'm going to increase funding for education.
I'm going to increase funding for the military.
I'm going to make the military larger WITHOUT a draft.
I'm going to reduce the deficit in half.
I'm going to ONLY raise taxes for the filthy rich.
I'm going to end the outsourcing of jobs.
I'm going to make sure everyone has free healthcare.
I'm going to make nice with EVERYONE in the world.

Hang on there partner.... how's that again?

I also noticed that both candidates promised to reduce the deficit in half but never explained how despite being asked directrly 3 times.

nikki4982 · Post by **nikki4982** » 10/9/2004, 1:37 am

Even if he is exaggerating (which, let's face it, every candidate has to do if they want to be elected, so you can't really hold it against anyone), at least he knows there's something desperately wrong with this country and wants to fix it. I thought he once again did a great job in the debate tonight. AND, Bush once again was unprepared and made crap up on the spot, which was painfully obvious. And, I can't believe that it doesn't bother some people that he won't admit he's made mistakes. BIG mistakes.

Oh, and going back to the VP debate, the only reason Cheney sounded so good was because he lied, lied, lied, and lied some more. Examples? Here:

CHENEY'S MISLEAD: "I have not suggested there's a connection between Iraq and 9/11"

THE TRUTH: As the Washington Post reports today, Cheney has repeatedly insinuated and "strongly suggested" that Saddam Hussein was behind the attacks on September 11th. And in its fact check column today, the Boston Globe says "Cheney has consistently asserted strong prewar links between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda, even after the 9/11 Commission definitively concluded that there had not been a collaborative relationship between the two. In a radio interview in January 2004, Cheney said: 'I think there's overwhelming evidence that there was a connection between Al Qaeda and the Iraqi government.'"

On December 9, 2001, Cheney went on "Meet the Press" to perpetuate the now entirely debunked theory that one of the 9/11 hijackers met with an Iraqi official. He went back on a year ago to describe Iraq as part of ""the geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault for many years, but most especially on 9/11."

Most recently, Cheney has claimed that Iraq harbored the terrorist Abu Musab al Zarqawi, and said Zarqawi "is an al Qaeda associate who took refuge in Baghdad, found sanctuary and safe harbor there before we ever launched into Iraq." But yesterday, a report Cheney himself requested found that there is no conclusive evidence to support that claim. An administration official said, "The evidence is that Saddam never gave Zarqawi anything."

CHENEY'S MISLEAD: "900,000 small businesses will be hit" by the Kerry-Edwards plan to roll back tax cuts for people in the top income bracket.

THE TRUTH: As the Washington Post writes this morning: "This is misleading. Under Cheney's definition, a small business is any taxpayer who includes some income from a small business investment, partnership, limited liability corporation or trust. By that definition, every partner at a huge accounting firm or at the largest law firm would represent small businesses. According to IRS data, a tiny fraction of small business "S-corporations" earn enough profits to be in the top two tax brackets. Most are in the bottom two brackets."

CHENEY'S MISLEAD: "We have added 1.7 million jobs to the economy."

THE TRUTH: On November 2nd, George Bush will be the first president in 70 years to lose jobs. There will be about a million less jobs than there were when Bush took office – and about 7 million less than Bush's own post-9/11 estimate. Cheney's using fuzzy math: 1.7 million jobs have been added, but millions more have been lost.

CHENEY'S MISLEAD: "The first time I ever met you was when you walked on the stage tonight."

THE TRUTH: This one-liner was one of Cheney's best zingers of the night, but even it isn't true: Cheney and Edwards have met in public at least twice. They met when Edwards escorted Elizabeth Dole to be sworn in by Cheney as Senator and at the National Prayer Breakfast. At the Breakfast, he even called Edwards out by name, starting his remarks with the words, "Thank you very much. Congressman Watts, Senator Edwards, friends from across America and distinguished visitors to our country from all over the world, Lynne and I are honored to be with you all this morning."

OK, I'm gonna go back to surfing the internets.

I AM ME · Post by **I AM ME** » 10/10/2004, 2:10 am

Sufjan Stevens wrote:I love how the only people that post in these presidential threads aren't from America.

probably because to be honest half the world has more intrest in this election then America does. ANd we have almost as much invested, especially Canada. Links between our two countries are so strong that an American election is just asserous for our countries future as your own.

gotta love my complete lack grammer, spelling, and typing. How odes no one ever comment on this?

nikki4982 · Post by **nikki4982** » 10/10/2004, 2:34 am

A lot of people in this country don't realize just how bad things really are thanks to being lied to repeatedly by Dubya. Which is what really scares me about the election.

I AM ME · Post by **I AM ME** » 10/10/2004, 2:46 am

exactly

and that kinda goes with my point.

The rest of the world see things colser to as they are. We see things from a more objective, farther away view, and we don't exactly fall for all the same stuff. Which is why many of us feel so strongly against him

nikki4982 · Post by **nikki4982** » 10/10/2004, 10:11 pm

Unfortunately, most Americans actually just take things at face value and don't do any research to find out just how screwed up things are.